He is about conspiracy theories, trying to prove your president isn't who he is, and, based on the fact that he calls his website homelandsecurityus.com, siphoning off web traffic to support the advertising services on his home page. Pretty laughable.

Also, you are implying that only people who buy in to your beliefs care about the constitution. You are painting with a pretty broad brush there. What is it like to believe that you are the only one in the room that is right?

Those aren't personal attacks. Those are facts, for the most part. They are about ideas and the lack of structure in your arguments. They aren't about you as a person. You are the one playing the victim.

Why would you say that? I'm not implying anything:rolleyes:

What is like to be a troll that follows me around baiting everything I post or type?

JCL...I think it's time to just be done with you too.

Oh BTW, it's a bit ironic that over in the Lounge...a post was made on the Gun Control thread by noncom23...NOT A FREAK'N WORD UTTERED BY YOU. Wow, someone actually shut you up...no great come back? I'm so disappointed JCL, I figured you would've had some kind of argument?

Nope, I think you like to just follow me around and post your dissatisfaction with the content or me.;)

JCL, do you have an obsession with me? Should I be concerned with how much attention you give to my posts and my threads? Starting to seem a bit unhealthy don't you think?

Let's take this one step at a time.

You said that those that care about the constitution consider communism and tyranny a big deal. That is what I characterized as your belief system.

Let's say I don't care about communism (because it is not an issue) or tyranny (because dead English kings aren't a threat, and your guns won't help you with the economic tyranny you are already subject to).

Your argument is that, therefore, I don't care about the constitution. It is exactly what you implied.

And then you ask why I would say that. You even roll your eyes to imply that it is a ridiculous conclusion. Can you not follow your own points? Your reasoning capability appears to be very limited if you can't understand that something you said a few lines earlier, restated, is the same thing.

The above wasn't even the question in the post.

I never responded to noncom23 because he was simply posting a rebuttal to my earlier posts in that thread about the success of gun controls in other countries, and the difficulty in comparing countries that use different metrics for violence. It wasn't new info. It was just another clip from a blog. And it had already been refuted.

Thanks, JCL, but as he suggests, I think we (he and I) should be done with this. Tynashracing, I don't think you will ever get what I am saying and I am sorry if you think my goal from the start was to personally attack you. It was not. Good luck to you.

I didn't say what you wrote above. I said "BTW, those topics you mentioned are big deals...for those that care about the Constitution, tyranny, communists, gun confiscation, etc."

It's all inclusive. That each one of those topics in of itself is a big deal. You've attempted to pull another one of your manipulation tricks and twist or turn what I wrote.

The color that you painted Hagmann with your "broad brush stroke" implies he's another conspiracy theorist... ""They are coming for your guns", "The plan to destroy Israel", "The Islamic Threat", "Obama's Social Security Card is a Fake", and lots of references to big government, tyranny, the constitution, coverups, more tyranny, communists, the elite, and so on.
It all sounds very familiar."

Right, it all sounds very familiar...another "nut job", "conspiracy theorist", right? You said this in post #6 "While Celente doesn't come across very well, Alex Jones, by way of comparison, comes across as a nutcase."

You are on the attack...with practically everything I say or when I post content. You're attempting to manipulate what I say and it's meaning.

Shouldn't you ask for clarification before belittling me when you say "What is it like to believe that you are the only one in the room that is right?" This obviously implies that I'm delusional.
Seems like it's OK when you imply something and yet...even when I don't make an implication...I get attacked personally.

JCL, I truly don't mind the negative comments on the subjects I post...it's when it becomes a personal attack that I want to lash back. Sadly, I have reverted to some ad hominems. I'm not proud of that...but a human can only take so much personal abuse. You and blktoptrvl made this about anything but the original content of what Celente said in the interview.

I'm asking you nicely to stop writing your sniping remarks about me personally.

This is supposed to be a forum for entertainment...not personal bashings.

Also, there's actually some content that might be posted just for some info...which is why this thread was started.

Either stay away from me and my threads or learn to stop with the personal attacks and make it about the content.

No, I get what you were saying. You made this about personalities from the get go instead of the content of what was said in the interview.

I was then baited much later when you posted the A.J. rant...which then set you off on a mission to discredit me personally.

Yes, I did call into question your signature statement and the seeming contradiction of the stance you're taking with gun control. You're right, I don't know what your signature means. I don't think it's a stretch though to ASSUME that it might be about individual rights. And those rights are not to be given up on a whim or the promise of magic beans.

I could draw an analogy here with the 2nd Amendment and the promise of "magic beans". But, I won't.

Yes, I did call into question if you were from the Republic...if you're not, then maybe the rights written about in your signature are from a different perspective than from someone from the Republic. It was really a question of where are you coming from with your perspective on "rights"?!

I've learned that there are many truths in the this life...it all depends on your perspective!

Anyway, peace. This entire thread turned into a nasty character attack and I'm sorry for participating on any level!

For any who might be interested, this was my sig at the time of this thread... I am considering changing it.

Not your money, your property, your loves, nor even your family... nothing is more precious than your rights. Don't give them away for a bag of magic beans.

Fine. Take out tyranny and gun control from my explanation, and substitute "they are coming for your guns" and Obama's citizenship. I don't think those are important. You say that if I cared about the constitution they would be important to me. Ergo, I don't care about the constitution. See? Same argument. Follow the logic. It isn't manipulation. I just take your arguments and illustrate the inconsistencies. I am not attacking you, just the ideas.

Yes, he sounds like a conpiracy theorist. Agreed. That was my point.

I will endeavour to focus my comments on your points and arguments and not appear to belittle you. It would be easier for me to comply with that if you cut the Alex Jones nonsense. I am not calling you delusional. Just him. Rightly or wrongly, we are known by the company we keep. If you used more neutral sources for your references, it may not feel so much like persecution.