Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1188945)

I'm not arguing any point. Other than that the parties are broken for the reasons bcredliner mentioned above, which I totally agree with. Between the extremes controlling gov't, the extremes controlling social media, and the extremes controlling main stream media our gov't is in gridlock.

My response was not to label anyone party-line voting Democrats (or Republican) though I can see how it could be taken as such. It was to point out that no matter how much we all get our panties in a bunch over how big a moron Trump is, or how corrupt he is... the next administration might only be marginally better. Nobody wants to do what needs to be done. Increase revenue (taxes) and decrease spending (gov't waste and social spending). Either party suggesting either of those paths is committing political suicide, so we have quagmire. A downward spiral following the path of republics who have come before us.

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Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1188926)

I think it is wrong for Trump or Barr to pardon or reduce Flynn's sentence. If there is evidence he was railroaded there should be an appeal and a new jury trial. If Trump or Barr are involved it is logical to assume their action is bias. The reason to pardon or commute his sentence is to get him out of jail without risking the new evidence is bogus or can't be proved and so new evidence confirming Flynn's guilt doesn't surface.

Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1188933)

Not the best reply for my post. As my post is clearly about an incompetent president giving yet another useless interview full of lies and narcissistic behavior.



Your reply to my post has no bearing or any reasonable argument since it doesn't address the actual interview at all!

Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1188928)

Guys, don't fret. When the Dems retain the House, get a majority in the Senate, and take the White House it will be their turn to violate the Constitution and civil rights. Then we can start a "what is wrong with X" thread for that.

I weep that there are supporters of either party in their current forms. Neither wants to do what is best for the country.

Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1188945)

I'm not arguing any point. Other than that the parties are broken for the reasons bcredliner mentioned above, which I totally agree with. Between the extremes controlling gov't, the extremes controlling social media, and the extremes controlling main stream media our gov't is in gridlock.

My response was not to label anyone party-line voting Democrats (or Republican) though I can see how it could be taken as such. It was to point out that no matter how much we all get our panties in a bunch over how big a moron Trump is, or how corrupt he is... the next administration might only be marginally better. Nobody wants to do what needs to be done. Increase revenue (taxes) and decrease spending (gov't waste and social spending). Either party suggesting either of those paths is committing political suicide, so we have quagmire. A downward spiral following the path of republics who have come before us.

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Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1188994)

In previous turning points the majority of Americans ultimately endorsed the right direction for the country. I think that will happen again but I don't think that will be soon since there is so much anger in the division of the country that we can't get past.

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1188972)

On the Flynn issue only I want to say that Trump has not pardoned nor reduced Flynn's sentence. At this point what has happened is that Flynn has withdrawn his plea and the DoJ has dismissed the case.

But the judge has said he doesn't care that the case is dismissed, he wants to charge Flynn with perjury for (pleading guilty previously and withdrawing that plea)

This is the issue.

A judge is the referee only, not a player. Yet in this case the referee has said even if the game isn't played because neither team is going to show he will still punish the one (Flynn) who the judge has made disparaging remarks about/to in court that normally gets a member of the court recused if not disbarred.

Also as a side note a pardon is issued after a conviction and Flynn has NOT been convicted yet.

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1189000)

I am right there hoping with you. *fingers crossed*

I'm just worried that social media and the MSM (and our education system) has dumbed the average citizen to the point of being incapable of seeing the forest from the trees. I used to be very optimistic but as time has gone by I am much more cynical towards our politicians (and voters) and their policies.

Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1189002)

Oopsie, wrong case. My mistake. Flynn confessed twice to wrong doing and plead guilty. A guilty plea is viewed as the same think as a conviction.The last step was sentencing based on his plea bargain. Barr didn't want to risk allowing it to go back to court to evaluate the new evidence so with a very unusual interference by an Attorney general he set up a process that would justify his intent to dismiss the case. IMO of course.



I can't get past Flynn's 2 confessions. I am aware his defense team is claiming he was pressured based on threats of prosecution of his son but he knows the ropes and has representation that does even if per chance he does not. Rule one-never admit guilt to something you didn't do. Same usually applies if one is guilty. He pleaded guilty against his defense team recommendation. IMO he believed he would be convicted and he plea bargained to get his son off the hook who was probably also guilty. That sounds like the behavior of a general and a father.



Just a non political opinion based on what happened rather than the people involved.

Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1189061)

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