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vinuneuro 12-03-2007 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston X5 4.4
Short(ish) generalized answer
- non-staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated all round front and back without taking the tire off the wheel
- non-staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated front to back on same side without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, non-directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but not front to back without taking the tire off the wheel
- staggered, directional, symmetric can be rotated left to right but you need to re-mount the tires on the rims (inside out so to speak)
- staggered, directional, asymmetric can not be rotated

I think the Toyo Proxes are staggered, directional and assymetric (last one above) so you can't (or shouldn't) rotate them.
They are symmetrical so you can move them left-right.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
The LF would go to the RR, etc. Would combat any camber wear related issues.
How would a staggard tire go from LF to RR? :confused: you can only have the 10.5" in rear.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 02:21 PM
Typo. LF-RF.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vinuneuro
Typo. LF-RF.
That means changing the wheel for directional tire. And changing wheel everytime you rotate is not good for integrity of tire. Those tires will be short lived.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMansX5
That means changing the wheel for directional tire. And changing wheel everytime you rotate is not good for integrity of tire. Those tires will be short lived.
How many times do you think someone is going to do this at $100 a tire swap?

The tire can be flipped on the same wheel, and then used on the opposite side. As long as the bead is bead is not damaged there's no compromise in the integrity. And that's what the expensive machines are used for.

LeMansX5 12-03-2007 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
How many times do you think someone is going to do this at $100 a tire swap?

The tire can be flipped on the same wheel, and then used on the opposite side. As long as the bead is bead is not damaged there's no compromise in the integrity. And that's what the expensive machines are used for.
Any more than twice during the life of tire is bad. Sometimes even a 2nd change can compromise.

AutoXer 12-03-2007 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
They are symmetrical so you can move them left-right.
I agree with this. They are symmetrical, but economically, at $100 per swap, it's not worth doing. The tires including mounting and balancing only cost me around $900.

dkl 12-03-2007 11:33 PM
Plus, each time you remount/rebalance the tires trying to get a few more miles from them, you risk rim damage from the process. Just be diligent with monitoring your tire pressure and buy new tires when needed.

broknlgs24 12-03-2007 11:51 PM
ok, i am confused. are unidirectional and directional the same thing?
because as per Toyo's site, the tires are unidirectional.

vinuneuro 12-03-2007 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by broknlgs24
ok, i am confused. are unidirectional and directional the same thing?
because as per Toyo's site, the tires are unidirectional.
Yep, one/single direction. :)


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