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Meestahbig 08-27-2020 12:49 PM

Secondary Air Pump DIY help
 
Hi. 2003 X5 3.0i So I'm back again asking about how to get the old one out and a new one in. Wife is going to make me sell the car unless I fix it. Screams like hell for a minute and then settles down. I see they got aftermarket pumps now for like $70. I know it's a cheap piece of crap, but it will get me through. How do I access the bolts and nuts to remove the damn thing.

bcredliner 08-27-2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Meestahbig (Post 1190281)
Hi. 2003 X5 3.0i So I'm back again asking about how to get the old one out and a new one in. Wife is going to make me sell the car unless I fix it. Screams like hell for a minute and then settles down. I see they got aftermarket pumps now for like $70. I know it's a cheap piece of crap, but it will get me through. How do I access the bolts and nuts to remove the damn thing.

Hope this helps, there are other videos about same subject to choose from if it doesn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFVQ5Q6nAco

cn90 08-27-2020 06:28 PM

Ha,

- I live in a state w/o emission inspection, so I pull the Air Pump Relay and read the CEL codes 3-4 times a year.

- Don't buy the Chinese stuff, you WILL regret.
Get the Pierburg for $170 or so:
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...437911#fitment

- Tons of DIY in forums, look at E39 forums...just a few nuts and it is out...

Meestahbig 08-27-2020 07:20 PM

To be honest. I am not worried about emissions. I just passed inspection today. I have a obd 2 tool and can clear the code. In theory I could warm up the car, clear the code and then go pass emissions with the car warm. I just wonder then if the light is already on, I won't know of new sht pops up.

Is there anything else I need to move or remove to get the pump out?

I wonder if there is a way to hook up something else that would just trick the system to thinking the pump is there. Something like a coil with similar eaiatwnace to the pump motor.

cn90 08-27-2020 09:18 PM

Since I pulled the Air Pump Relay, this is what I do:

- Cover the CEL with a small piece of black electrical tape.

- I have a cheap Maxi OBD-II scanner ($15 online). I have a notebook in the car, every month I scan for new codes and put a check mark so I know I already checked new codes for let's say Aug 2020.

- For the last 5 yrs, no new codes show up.

Meestahbig 08-27-2020 09:20 PM

I like that... no more whistling.

andrewwynn 08-28-2020 01:23 AM

The motor takes a crap load of power. You'd not be able to pull enough power to simulate it and it wouldn't work anyhow.

When wife's SAP failed we dealt with the "Vertical take off simulation" sound for about 8 months until it stopped pushing enough air and the computer figured out from O2 sensors I believe that the SAP wasn't pushing enough air.

Somebody gave me an sap from a 7-series or 5-series and I was able to adapt it to fit by adding some screw holes and cut a little bit of clearance so it didn’t touch the trim under the right headlight. I would look for a used one that maybe came from a 2005-6. But doesn't need to be e53 so you get a much bigger base

gpeterson 08-28-2020 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Meestahbig (Post 1190312)
I wonder if there is a way to hook up something else that would just trick the system to thinking the pump is there. Something like a coil with similar eaiatwnace to the pump motor.

Yes - I've been selling SAP sims for BMWs for years. You don't need to simulate the pump's current draw, but the DME expects a few other things when the pump should be running to prevent a CEL/codes.

andrewwynn 08-28-2020 11:21 AM

That's good to know. Link? Price?

gpeterson 08-28-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1190337)
That's good to know. Link? Price?

e36-electronic.com - BMW SAP, O2 sims and DME flashing

$75 or $170 depending on if you want to splice wires of just plug in. It started as E36 only but I can make one or any OBD2 BMW with narrowband pre-cat O2 sensors S/M52 (including tu), S/M54, S/M62, etc. Some cars have a SAP MAF that I'm 90% sure how to deal with but haven't worked with anyone on testing yet.

I'm also considering a newer design that would live in the DME box and be wired by re-pinning a few DME connectors. That could be built at a lower cost than the plug & play models. I may prototype that now that I have an E46 (M54) and E53 (M62tu) at home.


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