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blackthorn79 02-24-2021 05:41 AM

Stalling Problem
 
Hello everyone.
After getting little use over the lockdown period, I started using the car again. I have an 05 4.4 with the N62 engine.

Idling was a little rough but put that down to not being used often. After a couple of days, I noticed the car trying to stall whilst at junctions.
Eventually it did stall a few days in. Restarted straight away, but the following day it stalled, and threw the Transmission Failsafe Warning up.
Left it half hour & warning remained on, car then wouldn’t start.

Called out the RAC and upon their arrival just oven an hour later, the car started up right away.
He did the diagnostics and the following codes came up:-

Name: EOBD
DTC: P0347,Camshaft position (CMP) sensor A , bank 2 - low input
DTC: P0335,Crankshaft position (CKP) sensor - circuit malfunction
DTC: P0340,Camshaft position (CMP) sensor A , bank 1 - circuit malfunction
DTC: P0021,Camshaft position (CMP), intake/left/front , bank 2 - timing over-advanced / system performance.

I drove it half a mile to work, where it has since sat as I don’t want to drive it and risk it cutting out again.

Any ideas welcome before I get it taken to the garage for them to run tests?

amancuso 02-24-2021 09:38 AM

How is the battery voltage?

guntherrex 02-24-2021 09:50 AM

vanos stuck?

blackthorn79 02-24-2021 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amancuso (Post 1200309)
How is the battery voltage?

Brand new battery put in a month prior to problems

blackthorn79 02-24-2021 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guntherrex (Post 1200311)
vanos stuck?


Hope not 😞
Vanos system was rebuilt after failure back in 2017

andrewwynn 02-24-2021 11:24 AM

Cam sensors are the usual culprits and more often than not you'll get the symptoms without having a simgle code.

Miles on engine?

Original CPS?

OEM grade CPS?

Only use OEM cam sensors or you will have mystery headaches. When mine and then wife's intake CPS failed, we had occasional codes but none were CPS related just random cylinder misfire etc.

blackthorn79 02-24-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1200319)
Cam sensors are the usual culprits and more often than not you'll get the symptoms without having a simgle code.

Miles on engine?

Original CPS?

OEM grade CPS?

Only use OEM cam sensors or you will have mystery headaches. When mine and then wife's intake CPS failed, we had occasional codes but none were CPS related just random cylinder misfire etc.


108k on clock
I’m presuming the Indy put OEM sensors on when the Vanos was done. Crankshaft & Camshaft sensors were all replaced.

I’ll be taking it back to the same garage so they should know what they’ve used

andrewwynn 02-24-2021 11:46 AM

Ween i did chain guide plus vanos refurbish on two m62s, we reused all the sensors.

We got cam related errors one of which was near identical to yours and confirmed with real-time tracking. We had a third motor we cannibalize for a replacement and the problems went away.

Slow responding vanos can also be oil pressure related and I've seen that issue go away when changing the oil filter on my wife's car and when I changed the oil filter cap on a client's car.

(The basket that holds the paper filter was no longer solidly fixed to the cap)

blackthorn79 02-24-2021 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1200325)
Ween i did chain guide plus vanos refurbish on two m62s, we reused all the sensors.

We got cam related errors one of which was near identical to yours and confirmed with real-time tracking. We had a third motor we cannibalize for a replacement and the problems went away.

Slow responding vanos can also be oil pressure related and I've seen that issue go away when changing the oil filter on my wife's car and when I changed the oil filter cap on a client's car.

(The basket that holds the paper filter was no longer solidly fixed to the cap)

Thank you for your reply

upallnight 02-24-2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthorn79 (Post 1200324)
108k on clock
I’m presuming the Indy put OEM sensors on when the Vanos was done. Crankshaft & Camshaft sensors were all replaced.

I’ll be taking it back to the same garage so they should know what they’ve used

BAD assumption. Shops will try and maximize their profit for a job. They will quote OEM prices for parts but use cheap crap.


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