Stalling Problem

[blackthorn79]

Hello everyone.
After getting little use over the lockdown period, I started using the car again. I have an 05 4.4 with the N62 engine.

Idling was a little rough but put that down to not being used often. After a couple of days, I noticed the car trying to stall whilst at junctions.
Eventually it did stall a few days in. Restarted straight away, but the following day it stalled, and threw the Transmission Failsafe Warning up.
Left it half hour & warning remained on, car then wouldn’t start.

Called out the RAC and upon their arrival just oven an hour later, the car started up right away.
He did the diagnostics and the following codes came up:-

Name: EOBD
DTC: P0347,Camshaft position (CMP) sensor A , bank 2 - low input
DTC: P0335,Crankshaft position (CKP) sensor - circuit malfunction
DTC: P0340,Camshaft position (CMP) sensor A , bank 1 - circuit malfunction
DTC: P0021,Camshaft position (CMP), intake/left/front , bank 2 - timing over-advanced / system performance.

I drove it half a mile to work, where it has since sat as I don’t want to drive it and risk it cutting out again.

Any ideas welcome before I get it taken to the garage for them to run tests?

[amancuso]

How is the battery voltage?

[guntherrex]

vanos stuck?

[blackthorn79]

Originally Posted by amancuso

How is the battery voltage?

Brand new battery put in a month prior to problems

[blackthorn79]

Originally Posted by guntherrex

vanos stuck?

Hope not 😞
Vanos system was rebuilt after failure back in 2017

[andrewwynn]

Cam sensors are the usual culprits and more often than not you'll get the symptoms without having a simgle code.

Miles on engine?

Original CPS?

OEM grade CPS?

Only use OEM cam sensors or you will have mystery headaches. When mine and then wife's intake CPS failed, we had occasional codes but none were CPS related just random cylinder misfire etc.

[blackthorn79]

Originally Posted by andrewwynn

Cam sensors are the usual culprits and more often than not you'll get the symptoms without having a simgle code.

Miles on engine?

Original CPS?

OEM grade CPS?

Only use OEM cam sensors or you will have mystery headaches. When mine and then wife's intake CPS failed, we had occasional codes but none were CPS related just random cylinder misfire etc.

108k on clock
I’m presuming the Indy put OEM sensors on when the Vanos was done. Crankshaft & Camshaft sensors were all replaced.

I’ll be taking it back to the same garage so they should know what they’ve used

[andrewwynn]

Ween i did chain guide plus vanos refurbish on two m62s, we reused all the sensors.

We got cam related errors one of which was near identical to yours and confirmed with real-time tracking. We had a third motor we cannibalize for a replacement and the problems went away.

Slow responding vanos can also be oil pressure related and I've seen that issue go away when changing the oil filter on my wife's car and when I changed the oil filter cap on a client's car.

(The basket that holds the paper filter was no longer solidly fixed to the cap)

[blackthorn79]

Originally Posted by andrewwynn

Ween i did chain guide plus vanos refurbish on two m62s, we reused all the sensors.

We got cam related errors one of which was near identical to yours and confirmed with real-time tracking. We had a third motor we cannibalize for a replacement and the problems went away.

Slow responding vanos can also be oil pressure related and I've seen that issue go away when changing the oil filter on my wife's car and when I changed the oil filter cap on a client's car.

(The basket that holds the paper filter was no longer solidly fixed to the cap)

Thank you for your reply

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by blackthorn79

108k on clock
I’m presuming the Indy put OEM sensors on when the Vanos was done. Crankshaft & Camshaft sensors were all replaced.

I’ll be taking it back to the same garage so they should know what they’ve used

BAD assumption. Shops will try and maximize their profit for a job. They will quote OEM prices for parts but use cheap crap.