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Originally Posted by BGM (Post 736531)

You can't compare a car made in the 80's versus now--most cars now have more technology. And since an X5 is the same as all SUVs like you say---try making an emergency maneuver in a Tahoe at 50 mph in the rain vs. an X5. It's not about transporting--it's the safety and engineering.

:iagree:..

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Originally Posted by BGM (Post 736531)

First of all if you are driving at 50mph in heavy rain you are not a good driver, and have no clue about driving. At such speeds where the weather can cause accidents, as a driver you should be slowing down and not put yourself or others in your car on the road in danger.

Second of all, in regular rainy days (where it is safe to do 50mph), while doing 50mph you can make an emergency maneuver in a Tahoe just the same way you can in an X5. Both cars will perform as intended without any difference. You will not lose control in both cars.

Cars don't make a person a good driver. Being a good driver has to be learned.

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A dynamic proportioning system continuously balances the front and rear brakes for maximum effectiveness without activating the ABS. Once activated, the ABS allows the driver to maintain control of the steering in an emergency maneuver. For 2004, Tahoe introduces Hydroboost braking. Most power-brake systems rely on engine vacuum to reduce braking effort, but Hydroboost uses power-steering fluid pressure, which provides added safety, with more reserve power assist for braking under specific conditions.

2004 Chevrolet Tahoe Test Drive Review

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zumbalak..where you from man? Let me drop some knowledge on you. 1st BMW is an SAV not an SUV..So duh, yeah offroading isnt its strong suit. 2nd, Since every other SUV can do what an X5 can, why not just go with one of those? Seems to me that you're not too big on X5's, call me crazy..3rd is an X5M not a performance vehicle? what is it then? .....

Drop it like its hot :bustingup

What knowledge are you going to drop me with what kind of experience? That was funny.
Anyways, SAV or SUV it does not matter, SAV is a term that BMW came up with through their marketing department, and fanboys like you have bought it very well...

Offroading is not strong suit. So X5 is not that performance vehicle that some people talk about religiously huh? What does the X5 perform so high compared to other that makes it so special if it can not even do basic offroading.

I own an X5 and I am not crazy on this car. It is not reliable, it is poorly built, and it is a shame BMW became such poor built machines compared to their earlier years.

X5M is a vehicle that you don't own. That is number one. When you own that vehicle and you drive it on the streets it still will not be a performance vehicle at all. That was number two. Once you purchase X5M and take it to the track and drive it as a performance vehicle then we can talk about the whole subject of performance vehicles. That was number three. And number four do not think of taking the X5M to off-roading because you will most likely need a better performing vehicle to pull you off the ditch. And for number five, lastly, X5M is not an E53 model.

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Originally Posted by zumbalak (Post 736534)

Second of all, in regular rainy days (where it is safe to do 50mph), while doing 50mph you can make an emergency maneuver in a Tahoe just the same way you can in an X5. Both cars will perform as intended without any difference. You will not lose control in both cars.

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:rolleyes: Are you serious buddy? They'll both perform as intended without any difference huh? Tahoe and x5 huh? zumbalak..you now officially have self proclaimed to us that you know absolutely nothing about cars...this case is closed folks..

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Originally Posted by zumbalak (Post 736534)

First of all if you are driving at 50mph in heavy rain you are not a good driver, and have no clue about driving. At such speeds where the weather can cause accidents, as a driver you should be slowing down and not put yourself or others in your car on the road in danger.

Second of all, in regular rainy days (where it is safe to do 50mph), while doing 50mph you can make an emergency maneuver in a Tahoe just the same way you can in an X5. Both cars will perform as intended without any difference. You will not lose control in both cars.

Cars don't make a person a good driver. Being a good driver has to be learned.

huh? are you serious? since when do chevys and BMW's have the same stability dynamics?

I'm always amazed when folks complain with such passion
about the vehicle they own. If I felt this way, honestly I would
sell it and buy something I enjoy.

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Originally Posted by ftgambit (Post 735951)

DONE WITH MY X5 TOO!!! JD POWER Rates BMW WORST! Thankx for posting Craig B/Penguin:

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Originally Posted by primetime (Post 736535)

:bustingup

Hey primetime

First of all I am a bit older than being in the "buddy" talk.
Second of all until you bring the scientific proof that a Tahoe will not perform as intended in an emergency maneuver just like X5 would intend to, you have no proof that they will be different.

And knowing nothing about cars?
I have been driving cars as many years as your age or more (looking at your photo), that should be enough to know whats and what nots.

In any case, i have no intention to continue online argument with you. Because I know where it will go to.
Place called NOWHERE.
:bustingup

And the irony of it all with some hint of hypocrisy

This is a post by "primetime"

http://www.xoutpost.com/436995-post1.html

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Ok guys and gals the long list of repairs and costs have dome down to this:

I have an 01 3.0 sport package with 92k miles on it.

Since Jan 2nd, I've already dumped 2grand into the X. These may be some of the problems some of you may experience at higher mileage or may experienced already.

Valve cover gasket ($520 dealer)
Oil seperator ($450 indie mechanic shop)
Frozen door latch ($500 dealer)
Drive Belt and AC Belt ($163 indie mechanic shop)
Tow truck to the dealer ($140)
Slid on ice into a fire hydrant to avoid a car that suddenly stopped in front of me on icey roads ($250 insurance dedtuctable for new front bumper, right front fender, and new 20'' rim)

And now here's some more:

CV boots (outer) ($570 at indie mechanic shop)
Rotors, pads, sensors ($603 both sides in front, indie shop)
Valve cover cracked somehow was leaking oil and smoking = not good ($450 at indie mechanic shop)
Exhaust Cam sensor ($200, indie shop)
Thrust arm bushings ($350, indie shop)

Yup another 2 grand or so..Making the total spent in the last month and a half around 4 grand.. Sadly, I have come to a crossroads, I may sell my X in the next few months after this. I dont think it can handle another winter. I didn't let her go without a fight, But 4 grand in just under 2 months is getting out of hand. It would have been close to twice that if I did everything at the dealer.

Hey Primetime

How is the X5 performance vehicle treating you? :bustingup

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Originally Posted by zumbalak (Post 736538)

:bustingup

Hey primetime

First of all I am a bit older than being in the "buddy" talk.
Second of all until you bring the scientific proof that a Tahoe will not perform as intended in an emergency maneuver just like X5 would intend to, you have no proof that they will be different.

And knowing nothing about cars?
I have been driving cars as many years as your age or more (looking at your photo), that should be enough to know whats and what nots.

In any case, i have no intention to continue online argument with you. Because I know where it will go to.
Place called NOWHERE.
:bustingup

where is YOUR scientific proof that they will respond the SAME in a given situation?

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Originally Posted by dinan e39 (Post 736539)

where is YOUR scientific proof that they will respond the SAME in a given situation?

Go rent a Tahoe
And do the same maneuver you do with the X5 at the same specific situation.

Then you will see the proof.

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Originally Posted by zumbalak (Post 736538)

Second of all until you bring the scientific proof that a Tahoe will not perform as intended in an emergency maneuver just like X5 would intend to, you have no proof that they will be different.

Out of curiosity, do you honestly believe that a Tahoe will handle as well as an X5 in an emergency maneuver?

P.S. I went and checked the Consumer Reports test results:

X5 Emergency handling rating: Above Average. (53.0 mph)
Tahoe Emergency handling rating: Below Average. (46.5 mph)

Braking distance from 60 mph:

X5: 130 ft (dry) 142 ft (wet)
Tahoe: 144 ft (dry) 168 ft (wet)

Etc.

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Originally Posted by zumbalak (Post 736534)

So, you are now changing my words to "heavy" rain. Why don't you just say I said a tornado, too ? Drivers in a normal rain, 50 mph, on a highway--happens all the time, everyday, in America. And when a car swirves in your lane the Tahoe will probably flip--wet or dry. So, a 7,000 lb Tahoe, that's taller and does not have 50/50 weight distribution like the X5 has the same handling characteristics as an X5--do you really believe that ?