Adding coolant/anti-freeze (brand)

[Ricky Bobby]

Originally Posted by Helihover

Hey man my bad. I'm sorry. No need to call me a bafoon.

Anyone who doesn't agree with trader he calls a buffoon (this is the correct spelling btw), or refers to "strawman" or "witch hunt" or tells you to grow up, or inferences that this forum is referred of "fanboys" who "hold BMW up to be a god", etc, I can go on. And in 90% of his 900 posts to this point he refers in some way to the "crap window regulators" which no one can forget that he has had to deal with.

Question is, if he isn't contributing positively to this forum, why do we want him to remain here? If I wanted to join a BMW bashing forum I'd join Consumer Reports, we actually like our vehicles here, and like to plan preventative maintenance schedules, and keep our vehicles and not just come on here to complain.

Maybe his Ashley Madison account got leaked and he is grumpy about it and needs to vent?

[cn90]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

...Maybe his Ashley Madison account got leaked and he is grumpy about it and needs to vent?

I think he blew his head gasket lol...

Chill out guys, this is nothing to sweat over.
Go to work and make some money so you can spend on your BMW repair...

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by trader4

The other obvious problem here is that some of you BMW fanatics consider it "bashing" because I once in a while I
call their crap window regulators or expansion tanks, or maybe
CV boots, crap.

And that was after another poster, with shop experience,
echoed what I had said about them failing prematurely in response
to a question that someone else posted.

I think that's the issue... the parts aren't "crap." They have a serviceable life like any other part. In this case... most of the cooling system components have about a 100,000 - 120,000 mile life span in the majority of cases (at least here in south Texas) in my experience. Almost all of the cooling system parts are cheap... so if you have to do a complete cooling system overhaul every 120,000 (6 years or more) miles you are looking at spending $2000 total at a shop, or $500 in parts for a DIY'er. You can get much more mileage out of the parts individually if desired and it will be much cheaper... which is what most people do. I prefer to do system overhauls usually at certain mileages.

^Some may think that is excessive... and some may not. I am in the latter. Some have early failures... some have never had a failure. One (or two, three, four, or a hundred) particular failure reports on forums does not indicate a part's reliability in terms of the overall number of units out there. I am constantly amazed at how many E53's I see running around... so they can't be all that unreliable and full of junky parts. They can't all be owned by enthusiasts or rich people who can do/pay for the work and parts that are "constantly" failing.

I think that's why you see the hostility Trader. It's not that we are fan boys or anything, but that there is no REAL reason to call the parts crap. It sucks you've experienced a ton of failures... but had you bought a different X5 it's possible you would have had no failures. Just a thought.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by trader4

If you're not BMW fanatics, then I can't imagine why calling one part
on the car crap sets off this hostility. And IMO, those tanks and
the window regulators are crap.
If you search through this forum you will see lots of
people with failed tanks, including cars at well under 100K miles. In
every other vehicle I've had, I've never seen a single coolant tank
failure. And you also have many people here that have gone through
more than one tank too. It's 2015, we have modern, tough plastics
and it's simply unacceptable to have expansion tanks that crack
frequently. As long as you keep accepting it and saying it's perfectly
OK, then BMW has no reason to fix it. The same is true of their
window regulators.

Then you digress. I didn't say the X5 is "full of junky parts". I
specifically identified the tank and a few other parts as being crap.
But since you want to discuss the overall vehicle reliability, here is
what JD Powers says in their 2015 study:

2015 Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) by Category | J.D. Power Cars

The X5 shares the lowest reliability rating on the list, 2 stars, while
the best SUV has 5 stars. Presumably they use real data and are not
out to lie and screw BMW. I could show you more too, but too many
folks on here just can't stand the facts.

Those ratings are for the 2015 X5... and JD won't let you see the E53 anymore as it's so old now. Not that I care what JD says about a car. But the 2008 X5 also has a 2 star rating in dependability but a 4 star rating in performance/design just like the 2015. So just like any other decision you have to decide what's important to you. We all choose to drive these things because of the way they drive and look. If we were concerned with absolute reliability and low maintenance costs we'd be in Hondas or Toyotas.

As for BMW putting crap plastic and seeing failures of it in expansion tanks... like I said, this is a forum. You are going to see the failures. No random owner pops in to say "Hi guys, new here, just signing it to say my expansion tank just ticked 200,000 miles. Have a good day." BMW doesn't have to design a part to last 200,000 miles... they design it to last 100,000 and then the typical BMW buyer will buy a new one. People like you, me, and the others on the forum are not necessarily BMW's target audience. But they do make cars that drive fantastically well and so we have to deal with changing certain parts when they fail or preventatively. It's always been that way with certain parts. No one complains about a timing belt service interval do they?

As for the regulators... those are a common failure in many vehicles. Obviously some more than others. But literally just a few minutes ago I got a text from a buddy who replaced his second window regulator on his C5 vette. So it happens... that's just the way it is.

You attract the hostility in the way you deliver your posts. And your extreme stubborn nature keeps fanning the flames. I don't know why people are focusing on age in your case... I've seen some pretty immature 50 year olds. It's not limited to younger people. But if you take a second to answer your own question about why you're attracting the hostility... you should be able to come up with the answer.

[luvmy03E53]

... wait for it...

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Branding is very fragile and extremely costly to achieve and maintain. There is no automaker on the planet that designs a mainstream vehicle to fall apart at 100,000 miles, certainly not a high priced brand.

I didn't mean to imply BMW built the truck to fall apart at 100,000 miles. Woops. Just that if certain inexpensive parts, such as the tank or regulators, fails every 100,000 miles... BMW as a manufacturer is okay with that. As you said, a price point has to be hit... and about a million other factors go into designing each part of a vehicle.

I agree with all of your post's points and stated one or two of them in the post you quoted.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I didn't mean to imply BMW built the truck to fall apart at 100,000 miles. Woops. Just that if certain inexpensive parts, such as the tank or regulators, fails every 100,000 miles... BMW as a manufacturer is okay with that. As you said, a price point has to be hit... and about a million other factors go into designing each part of a vehicle.

I agree with all of your post's points and stated one or two of them in the post you quoted.

Sorry I misunderstood. I see what you meant, I agree with you. If a $118 OE expansion tank fails every 100,000 I'm OK with that too.

[Helihover]

[QUOTE=trader4;1055617]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Anyone who doesn't agree with trader he calls a buffoon (this is the correct spelling btw), or refers to "strawman" or "witch hunt" or tells you to grow up, or inferences that this forum is referred of "fanboys" who "hold BMW up to be a god", etc, I can go on. And in 90% of his 900 posts to this point he refers in some way to the "crap window regulators" which no one can forget that he has had to deal with.

Question is, if he isn't contributing positively to this forum, why do we want him to remain here? If I wanted to join a BMW bashing forum I'd join Consumer Reports, we actually like our vehicles here, and like to plan preventative maintenance schedules, and keep our vehicles and not just come on here to complain.

QUOTE]

No, I call people buffoons when they accuse me of posting something
years ago, that I had nothing to do with, that allegedly identified me
as some youngster. That's likely part of the problem, some can't
keep people separated, and start jumbling stuff from years ago
all together. The other obvious problem here is that some of you
BMW fanatics consider it "bashing" because I once in a while I
call their crap window regulators or expansion tanks, or maybe
CV boots, crap.

And as usual, now the calls to censor and silence me start.
How typical. Here's a novel idea. All I did was call that expansion
tank "crap". And that was after another poster, with shop experience,
echoed what I had said about them failing prematurely in response
to a question that someone else posted. All you fanatics had to do
was let that go. BTW, I'm not here calling for you to be silenced.
And contrary to what you just posted, it's not all that I do, I'm
a regular poster here whether you like it or not and it's only
occasionally that I have something negative to say about parts.
Funny thing too, isn't it? I don't see you calling for censorship for
people that say Chinese parts are crap, aftermarket parts are crap,
but Woooh!, if anyone dares to say that one part that BMW uses
is crap, well then you just can't take that. Grow up.

Still running your mouth about me after I apologize ....

Your no man.

I made a mistake (like you do every time you post), was called out, I then apoligise like a man should do. Your bitch ass can't even acept an apoligy.....

You are now a pathedic excuse of life in my world. GL to the people surrounded by you.

Edit: and since the trader can't quote correctly, it looks like I've quoted. RB. Sorry RB. This quote was written by the trader.

[StephenVA]

OK its time to let it go now. Everyone has had their chance to play nicely.

The site is for sharing experiences, resolving ownership challenges of vehicles long out of any factory warranty. The parts are what they are. The high failure ones will bring out the aftermarket, who will either engineer improved materials or they will build cheaper ones to capitalize on those owners and shops that focus on price over anything else.

Long term owners make up most of us. Newbies will come in for a quick tip and will move on. So it makes no sense to crying about parts designed some 12+ years ago. Parts fail, some more than others, some owners get vehicles that eat parts (the reasons-- see owners and vehicles for details). Gee, what a concept.

[bcredliner]

[QUOTE=trader4;1055617]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Anyone who doesn't agree with trader he calls a buffoon (this is the correct spelling btw), or refers to "strawman" or "witch hunt" or tells you to grow up, or inferences that this forum is referred of "fanboys" who "hold BMW up to be a god", etc, I can go on. And in 90% of his 900 posts to this point he refers in some way to the "crap window regulators" which no one can forget that he has had to deal with.

Question is, if he isn't contributing positively to this forum, why do we want him to remain here? If I wanted to join a BMW bashing forum I'd join Consumer Reports, we actually like our vehicles here, and like to plan preventative maintenance schedules, and keep our vehicles and not just come on here to complain.

QUOTE]

No, I call people buffoons when they accuse me of posting something
years ago, that I had nothing to do with, that allegedly identified me
as some youngster. That's likely part of the problem, some can't
keep people separated, and start jumbling stuff from years ago
all together. The other obvious problem here is that some of you
BMW fanatics consider it "bashing" because I once in a while I
call their crap window regulators or expansion tanks, or maybe
CV boots, crap.

And as usual, now the calls to censor and silence me start.
How typical. Here's a novel idea. All I did was call that expansion
tank "crap". And that was after another poster, with shop experience,
echoed what I had said about them failing prematurely in response
to a question that someone else posted. All you fanatics had to do
was let that go. BTW, I'm not here calling for you to be silenced.
And contrary to what you just posted, it's not all that I do, I'm
a regular poster here whether you like it or not and it's only
occasionally that I have something negative to say about parts.
Funny thing too, isn't it? I don't see you calling for censorship for
people that say Chinese parts are crap, aftermarket parts are crap,
but Woooh!, if anyone dares to say that one part that BMW uses
is crap, well then you just can't take that. Grow up.

Seems to me you have dedicated yourself to earning the reputation of being illogically negative, whining when you are challenged and saying the same thing over and over. I guess thinking repetition and bullying will ultimately make what you post true.

Rather than occasionally posting negative comments you occasionally post some constructive remarks. You can scream, stomp your feet and roll on the floor and claim otherwise but that is your history.

Several have offered advise about the purpose of the forum and how to be a constructive member. As time has passed and you have chosen to continue being caustically negative and more members have challenged you. I would expect that to continue as long as you continue your methods. No one is out to get you, you are committing suicide. Just like a negative brain won't give a happy life, caustic negativity will not give you positive feedback.

As you have said many times--your choice.