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I replaced the original Michelin 4x4 Diamaris after 45,000 miles with Continental ExtremeContact DWS two weeks ago. I have a 2006 BMW X5 4.8is with staggered wheels, Front 275/40-R20; Rear 315/35-R20. I have driven about 200 miles on the new tires so far. The cabin noise has been reduced drastically. The BMW Bluetooth system is now usable pass 40mph. I used to get so much cabin noise that the other party couldn’t hear me if I was on the car Bluetooth.
I feel the side walls on DWS are a tad softer than the Diamaris and the steering doesn’t feel as sharp as before. The steering is still very responsive just not as responsive as before. To test the tires and handling, I took an off ramp at about 70mph and I felt the tires side walls are not holding up as well as the Diamaris. I did the same off ramp around 80mph with the Diamaris and no problem. At the end of the day, it is a 5,000+lbs SUV. So, I am ok losing some steering response and gain more comfort and quiet. So far, the next set of tires will be Continental ExtremeContact DWS again. |
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Got another question....I live in the Washington DC Metro area and am looking to get my tires installed and front end alignmed. I bought my car from BMW of Rockville (formally VOB). Hence, I wanted them to install my tires and perform a front end alignment. The price they quoted me was outrageous! It costs $289 for the front end alignment (due to active steering --- also, only BMW can do this). It costs $80 to mount and balance each tire. I am looking at a minimum of $609 to have my tires installed. I am especially perturbed since it only cost me $51 to have new tires installed on my F-150.
I am hoping that there are places in the area that are a lot cheaper than the dealer. Do you know of any? Thanks, Donald |
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I spent this past winter on a set of brand new Continental ExtremeContact DWS's, 275/40/20 and 315/35/20. I don't know how this vehicle does with actual snow tires in a smaller width, but with these things, it was nearly undriveable. It would accelerate decent, but braking or turning simply didn't happen. It was just dangerous. I can't blame it all on the tires, as I haven't tried a dedicated snow tire, or a skinnier all-season... maybe this vehicle is just terrible in the snow.
Previously, I had a 97 Explorer with a set of all seasons that was virtually unstoppable, and I still have my e30's which I usually run snow tires on, which are amazing in the snow (but they are small and light). Other then the snow, I have no complaints about them. At this point I have about 20k miles on them, they are quiet, they have decent grip, great wet grip and hydroplaning resistance.
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I can tell you its an unstoppable beast in really bad weather conditions with 18" Blizzaks. Do yourself a favor and get some wheels from a 3.0, or some aftermarket wheels and get some winter tires in the 255 width.
Turning, stopping, accelerating, everything is wonderful in snow with them. You get to experience the X-drive working the way its meant to. A 275 or wider tire, especially a 315 like ours in the rear is way too big for bad weather. I drove back from Canada on a winter fishing trip this year, we had 6 inches of snow on the roads, unplowed, early in the morning and no one had traveled yet. 60 MPH and she was glued to the road. Accelerate almost like dry pavement. When we were on the frozen lake it would go anywhere, just raise the air ride up and plow through it.
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I figured it would be decent with snows. I have factory 18's with 255/55/18 all seasons, and they suck as well. I don't have x-drive, mine is an 02. But as I said, the acceleration is fine, it's turning and braking grip that is non-existant, and that's a function of the weight and the tires. I do know that with open diffs, this thing will never perform like my Explorer did, with true limited slip differentials and a decent transfer case. I hate computer controlled shit... Even ABS. I took the ABS fuse out of my Explorer so it wouldn't kick in while I was trying to modulate the brakes.
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I had 245/40/17 DWS's on my 330 and they were shit compared to some other all seasons I had. Ride was too soft and squishy in summer and traction much worse than average in snow/ice.
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__________________________________ 2001 330i Black Saphire Metallic - sold ![]() 2005 X5 4.8is Le Mans Blau - Beast! |
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I am really surprised by peoples responses in snow conditions with these tires. I am telling you, my 06, with about 6 inches of snow was a blast to drive. I was leaving everyone at lights. I was sliding sideways, and fishtailing in turns, and not a scary sliding, but on purpose, and very controllable, with DSC off. Oh, 4.8is, with 20s. I am sure if there was more snow, I would have to put on my winter setup, but it was way better than decent. I really can't complain.
Oh maybe because it was decent softish-wetish snow, not frozen solid. Maybe that's why. Oh yes, the summer performance is a bit less than the factory Michellins. But overall, I would never put the factory back on, especially for half price, and the overall performance. It is still a very very very heavy car, and there is only so much your tires can do for you before you lose traction pulling some insane turn. |
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I just ordered a set of the ExtremeContact DWS. I have a set of dedicated tires/wheels for winter, but want to extend my use of the 20's a little bit longer into early winter and change over earlier in the spring, with a goal of minimizing time on the winter setup. Curious if anyone else has been running these through this winter. Anyone have more feedback?
I wasn't too impressed with the Diamaris, so it wasn't hard for me to throw in the towel and move away from summer hi perf tires.
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2016 GMC Sierra 2500 HD All-Terrain, Duramax 6.6 2011 X5M Alpine White/Sakhir Orange, Eucalyptus, Spare tire!, Comfort, Soft Close, Tech, Rear Climate, Individual dash, Individual Audio, HUD, DVD, USB, Cold. Gone: 2008 4.8i 2005 X5 4.8is 2004 X5 4.4i Sport 2004 X3 3.0i 6MT 2002 M5 |
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There good, just inflate them to 36 or higher. Low pressure really shows off the DWS' weak sidewalls. Once inflated properly they are nice
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Though I should write an update after driving over 11K miles and almost a year from the purchase date.
I replaced the original Michelin 4x4 Diamaris after 45,000 miles with Continental ExtremeContact DWS in April 2012. I have a 2006 BMW X5 4.8is with staggered wheels, Front 275/40-R20; Rear 315/35-R20. These tires are very quiet. The life thread is good. The “S” for snow is still in pretty good shape on all four tires after 11K miles. I took the car to mammoth where there was 8” of fresh snow fall over night. My X5 had no problem with traction, accelerating, and braking. Compacted and loose snow is no problem for this beast on these tires. The car felt so in control and confident. I drive fast and on occasion I have to brake hard. The only time the ABS went off was in a rainy day when I had to stop on the wide white pedestrian lines. Those white lines become slippery like ice when wet anyway. The side walls on DWS are a tad softer than the Diamaris. But honestly, I can careless. These tires have so much positive that one negative doesn’t count at all… I keep the front 32psi and rear 35psi. My next set of tires will be Continental ExtremeContact DWS for sure… |
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