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Old 02-08-2013, 10:42 PM
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Hey guys i have been on this forums for a while now just reading about peoples problems and even trying to help them when i can but today i need your help . On my x5 the gear indicator light doesnt show up it shows in the cluster like when i put it on D R N P but when i put it in manual or sport mode it doesnt show up in the cluster. The cluster has been changed due to pixel issues. I changed it my self and i recoded it. Did i forget to code something? The indicator never even worked with my old cluster. Any help would be appreciated.


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Old 02-08-2013, 10:50 PM
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I have no idea, sounds like you forgot to do something but I can suggest that you put a brief description of your issue in the Thread title. I normally skim past the "Need Help" threads.....
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:53 PM
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I have no idea, sounds like you forgot to do something but I can suggest that you put a brief description of your issue in the Thread title. I normally skim past the "Need Help" threads.....

Well thank you. Next time will do that sir. The problem is that, it never use to work, is there fuse for it? in the glove box or in the trunk?
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agree with bulk on the title....

the pixels are not fed through a fuse, there is a ribbon cable inside the cluster that might be either pinched, or, more likely, corroded. When you say it did not work in theold cluster, did ever work in the gear selector, where your gear lever is?

the cluster illuminates the gear selections via the telegram from the transmission control

Transmission program display (automatic transmission)




Since 5/97 an instrument cluster has been phased-in which features the plugged-on instrument cluster electronics (IKE ) integrated in the display unit (AE ). This instrument cluster can replace older instrument cluster versions.
The instrument cluster is connected to the transmission control unit by means of a separate data link. By way of this data link, the transmission control unit informs the instrument cluster electronics (IKE ) which drive stage is engaged, which drive program is switched on and whether the transmission is in the emergency program. If the transmission signals "emergency program", the signal is transferred to the light check module (LCM) as a bus signal. If the instrument cluster is coded for automatic transmission, the program and selector lever display for automatic transmission is activated.
In the case of the integrated version of the instrument cluster, phased-in as from 5/97, the coding data defines whether the transmission data is routed via the CAN bus from the transmission control unit or via separate data links from the transmission control unit to the instrument cluster.
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agree with bulk on the title....

the pixels are not fed through a fuse, there is a ribbon cable inside the cluster that might be either pinched, or, more likely, corroded. When you say it did not work in theold cluster, did ever work in the gear selector, where your gear lever is?

the cluster illuminates the gear selections via the telegram from the transmission control

Transmission program display (automatic transmission)



Since 5/97 an instrument cluster has been phased-in which features the plugged-on instrument cluster electronics (IKE ) integrated in the display unit (AE ). This instrument cluster can replace older instrument cluster versions.
The instrument cluster is connected to the transmission control unit by means of a separate data link. By way of this data link, the transmission control unit informs the instrument cluster electronics (IKE ) which drive stage is engaged, which drive program is switched on and whether the transmission is in the emergency program. If the transmission signals "emergency program", the signal is transferred to the light check module (LCM) as a bus signal. If the instrument cluster is coded for automatic transmission, the program and selector lever display for automatic transmission is activated.
In the case of the integrated version of the instrument cluster, phased-in as from 5/97, the coding data defines whether the transmission data is routed via the CAN bus from the transmission control unit or via separate data links from the transmission control unit to the instrument cluster.
No i can see the P R N D through the cluster like when i switch but when i put on manual/sport it doesnt go to either manual or sport, the gear selector not in the cluster but in the center console that indicator never lights up thats what the problem is
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Ok, lets further define what is happening and what is not happening - i am a bit mentally retarded and need things spelled out... lol...

there are two places where the indication is happening - one is at the lever itself, there are actual LEDs lit up individually, and the other one is at the cluster, where the information is iBus controlled.

When the car's physical gear is

P - the indicator on the console shows P (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows P (yes/no)
R - the indicator on the console shows R (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows R (yes/no)
N - the indicator on the console shows N (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows N (yes/no)
D - the indicator on the console shows D (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows D (yes/no)

S - the indicator on the console shows S (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows S (yes/no)
M# - the indicator on the console shows M# (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows M# (yes/no)

just reply back, and indicate which ones are working (yes) and which ones are not (no) and we take it from there...
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Ok, lets further define what is happening and what is not happening - i am a bit mentally retarded and need things spelled out... lol...

there are two places where the indication is happening - one is at the lever itself, there are actual LEDs lit up individually, and the other one is at the cluster, where the information is iBus controlled.

When the car's physical gear is

P - the indicator on the console shows P (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows P (yes/no)
R - the indicator on the console shows R (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows R (yes/no)
N - the indicator on the console shows N (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows N (yes/no)
D - the indicator on the console shows D (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows D (yes/no)

S - the indicator on the console shows S (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows S (yes/no)
M# - the indicator on the console shows M# (yes/no) - indicator in cluster shows M# (yes/no)

just reply back, and indicate which ones are working (yes) and which ones are not (no) and we take it from there...
P - the indicator on the console shows P (no) - indicator in cluster shows P (yes)
R - the indicator on the console shows R (no) - indicator in cluster shows R (yes)
N - the indicator on the console shows N (no) - indicator in cluster shows N (yes)
D - the indicator on the console shows D (no) - indicator in cluster shows D (yes)

S - the indicator on the console shows S no - indicator in cluster shows S no
M# - the indicator on the console shows M# no - indicator in cluster shows M# no

Sorry if it was my bad English that i could not explain it to you.. :P Isnt the M/S one thing on the the console? The problem i m having is the Lever doesnt light up for each one. If i understood it correctly.
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P - the indicator on the console shows P (no) - indicator in cluster shows P (yes)
R - the indicator on the console shows R (no) - indicator in cluster shows R (yes)
N - the indicator on the console shows N (no) - indicator in cluster shows N (yes)
D - the indicator on the console shows D (no) - indicator in cluster shows D (yes)

S - the indicator on the console shows S no - indicator in cluster shows S no
M# - the indicator on the console shows M# no - indicator in cluster shows M# no

Sorry if it was my bad English that i could not explain it to you.. :P Isnt the M/S one thing on the the console? The problem i m having is the Lever doesnt light up for each one. If i understood it correctly.

so, it seems that there is NOTHING lit up next to the gear lever itself.

Let's test what is going on there first -

the gear selector light (module E82) is connected via couple connectors.

One of them is connector X1600. this is a 3-pin connector, pins 1 and 3 are engaged.

Pin 1 receives signal from Steptronic switch S224 (pin 4 from connector X1561) and the pin 3 is connected to the EGS, the transmission module. The other 2 pins from connector X1561 are going directly to EGS module.

it seems that this is the one connector (X1600) that is responsible for the M/S light function.


connector X1599 is the one that actually receives the signal from the lever indicating in which gear the lever is and pinout for 6-pin connector X1599 is

pins
2 - PARK
3 - REVERSE
4 - NEUTRAL
5 - DRIVE


study the pictures attached, and see if you can pull the leather boot surrounding the gear selector, and take a look inside - check to see if the connectors are connected, check to see if the connectors are corroded, check for coca cola or coffee spills...

connectors of interest are X1599 and X1600 and switch S224 for the M/S function and S224 for the regular PRND function.
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so, it seems that there is NOTHING lit up next to the gear lever itself.

Let's test what is going on there first -

the gear selector light (module E82) is connected via couple connectors.

One of them is connector X1600. this is a 3-pin connector, pins 1 and 3 are engaged.

Pin 1 receives signal from Steptronic switch S224 (pin 4 from connector X1561) and the pin 3 is connected to the EGS, the transmission module. The other 2 pins from connector X1561 are going directly to EGS module.

it seems that this is the one connector (X1600) that is responsible for the M/S light function.


connector X1599 is the one that actually receives the signal from the lever indicating in which gear the lever is and pinout for 6-pin connector X1599 is

pins
2 - PARK
3 - REVERSE
4 - NEUTRAL
5 - DRIVE


study the pictures attached, and see if you can pull the leather boot surrounding the gear selector, and take a look inside - check to see if the connectors are connected, check to see if the connectors are corroded, check for coca cola or coffee spills...

connectors of interest are X1599 and X1600 and switch S224 for the M/S function and S224 for the regular PRND function.
Thank will do this tomorrow and report what happened
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1 more thing as i said PRND works in the cluster but M/S doesnt work in the cluster is it still the connectors?
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