Estoril Blue 4.8is

[OptimusPriM5]

[QUOTE=gruppeM3;957427]I love Monte Carlo Blue but my X5 is indeed Estoril.


I guess people dont follow the use of bolded text. I was stating that the x5m's are MONTE CARLO BLUE not Estoril. I obviously should have more direct in my statement. That was why I was saying its even more rare.

[gruppeM3]

Originally Posted by OptimusPriM5

I guess people dont follow the use of bolded text. I was stating that the x5m's are MONTE CARLO BLUE not Estoril. I obviously should have more direct in my statement. That was why I was saying its even more rare.

I understand what you mean. You are referring to the X5 M correct? Just wanted to clarify for everyone else.

[OptimusPriM5]

Originally Posted by gruppeM3

I understand what you mean. You are referring to the X5 M correct? Just wanted to clarify for everyone else.

Yes

[PropellerHead]

Originally Posted by OptimusPriM5

I guess people dont follow the use of bolded text. I was stating that the x5m's are MONTE CARLO BLUE not Estoril. I obviously should have more direct in my statement. That was why I was saying its even more rare.

I will agree with the others that the post as written was very confusing- and even with the addition of bold text.

[wrex]

So wish I could pic this up, but I can't get rid of my 02 estoril blue.

[gruppeM3]

Quick update guys. So it turns out that there are literally no 328 diesels in the US with the options that my wife and I want. So that means no trade on the X5 either. I will have to order it and wait over two months for it to arrive.

With that said, I have updated the thread with a no BS price. I am pretty firm with what I am asking for, 17K. If you guys are interested please let me know. Thanks

[Ricky Bobby]

Doesn't surprise me. Dealers barely have "regular cars" (e.g. not diesel) with all options, color combo etc. I would like so I did find it surprising that the 328D was so easy for you.

Most people who want something even REMOTELY specific from a new car today have to order it, it's sad because the days of walking in your local dealership, showing off your pristine ride to get max trade value are over. The dealers don't keep enough inventory for the most part, and who can blame them. No one wants cars sitting on lots for months when you can get one factory fresh in 90 days.


Sorry to hear OP, and good luck with the Estoril sale, as well as delivery of your 328D.

[gruppeM3]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Doesn't surprise me. Dealers barely have "regular cars" (e.g. not diesel) with all options, color combo etc. I would like so I did find it surprising that the 328D was so easy for you.

Most people who want something even REMOTELY specific from a new car today have to order it, it's sad because the days of walking in your local dealership, showing off your pristine ride to get max trade value are over. The dealers don't keep enough inventory for the most part, and who can blame them. No one wants cars sitting on lots for months when you can get one factory fresh in 90 days.


Sorry to hear OP, and good luck with the Estoril sale, as well as delivery of your 328D.

Yeah. Most of the cars they had were bare bones. Or they had a very crappy combination of options. They kept trying to sell me on the new "sensa tech" which is their new version of leatherette. I was going to settle but then I thought to myself "why am I going to settle when I am about to shell out over 50K for a brand new car"!? Screw that! I guess I kinda understand. After all they are salesman. They want the sale now. They don't really care about what you want.

[Ricky Bobby]

Originally Posted by gruppeM3

Yeah. Most of the cars they had were bare bones. Or they had a very crappy combination of options. They kept trying to sell me on the new "sensa tech" which is their new version of leatherette.

Totally unrelated, but one of my best friends is a master tech at the local Lexus dealership, and he actually told me that its possible in a couple years that Lexus might not offer traditional "real leather" on a lot of its models, even the higher end ones.

The thought process behind this is 2 things. 1) The new "leatherettes", vinyl seats, faux leather, whatever you want to call them are starting to look and feel closer to real leather than ever before.

And 2) It's all about longevity of the interior. 100% real leather is a maintenance, as far as keeping grime off the seats, conditioning it to keep it supple, etc. Most people on lease or whatever barely vacuum their interiors, you expect the leather to be in tip top shape? Lexus in this case wants an interior that is durable as can be, so that it adds value to the second owner, CPO buyer, etc a couple years down the line.


I'll remark on this, my X5 seats are 10 years old and 69k miles, and they look just as good as my wife's Toyota Rav4 real leather seats, and she has 35k miles. Actually, the thigh bolsters on my car look better, you already can see plenty of wrinkles on hers from getting in and sliding your thighs across the bolsters.

And my buddy says that is the number one reason they are looking to fade out leather, because after a couple years the seats just don't age well, even with proper care ( you can't expect to tell someone to not slide their thighs across the bolster to avoid wear marks and wrinkling of the leather)


Good luck on your order though, hope you ordered M-sport! Still pissed that you still can't get a proper manual trans with the new diesels, I thought that might be a replacement for my X5 someday.

[gruppeM3]

Originally Posted by Ricky Bobby

Totally unrelated, but one of my best friends is a master tech at the local Lexus dealership, and he actually told me that its possible in a couple years that Lexus might not offer traditional "real leather" on a lot of its models, even the higher end ones.

The thought process behind this is 2 things. 1) The new "leatherettes", vinyl seats, faux leather, whatever you want to call them are starting to look and feel closer to real leather than ever before.

And 2) It's all about longevity of the interior. 100% real leather is a maintenance, as far as keeping grime off the seats, conditioning it to keep it supple, etc. Most people on lease or whatever barely vacuum their interiors, you expect the leather to be in tip top shape? Lexus in this case wants an interior that is durable as can be, so that it adds value to the second owner, CPO buyer, etc a couple years down the line.


I'll remark on this, my X5 seats are 10 years old and 69k miles, and they look just as good as my wife's Toyota Rav4 real leather seats, and she has 35k miles. Actually, the thigh bolsters on my car look better, you already can see plenty of wrinkles on hers from getting in and sliding your thighs across the bolsters.

And my buddy says that is the number one reason they are looking to fade out leather, because after a couple years the seats just don't age well, even with proper care ( you can't expect to tell someone to not slide their thighs across the bolster to avoid wear marks and wrinkling of the leather)


Good luck on your order though, hope you ordered M-sport! Still pissed that you still can't get a proper manual trans with the new diesels, I thought that might be a replacement for my X5 someday.

I agree with what you said but I still like the feel of leather. The sensatech that BMW offers now looks like leather. Although it doesn't feel like leather once you sit on it. I will say that it has come a long way though.

As for the diesel, I am going to order M sport. That's what I have on my current 2011 335d. I am going to order it in Mineral grey, saddle brown leather, M-Sport, Premium package, navigation, technology package, cold weather package, and I think that's about it.

I too wish they offered it with a manual transmission. More so on my 335d as that thing has loads of torque. Imagine 435 ft lbs of torque and a manual transmission

The new 328 diesels on the other hand aren't really too powerful. Would still be fun with a manual trans but not as much. Plus I'm getting this car for economical purposes. That 45 mpg sounds great