Home Forums Articles How To's FAQ Register
Go Back   Xoutpost.com > BMW SAV Forums > X5 (E53) Forum
Arnott
User Name
Password
Member List Premier Membership Today's Posts New Posts

Xoutpost server transfer and maintenance is occurring....
Xoutpost is currently undergoing a planned server migration.... stay tuned for new developments.... sincerely, the management


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-14-2014, 03:46 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Edmonton Alberta
Posts: 42
X5Moe4.4 is on a distinguished road
p0300 code on 2004 4.4

Ok, so i have a dilema, i have a 2004 4.4 x5 with 137k kms on it. Recently i moved to Toronto, ON from Edmonton, AB and drove the whole way here, during the drive everything was fine, smooth as can be for the whole 3600 km trip. About a week or so after getting to Toronto i started having problems with a mis-fire (code p0300).. now i know that this code means multiple cylinder random misfire, so first thing that came to mind was spark plugs because they had never been changed before.

So i replaced all 8 spark plugs with NGK part number BKR6EQUP which i got from the parts department form a bmw dealer, during the replacement of the spark plugs i noticed the dreaded oil pooling around the spark plugs and knew it was time to do the VCG's. So after cleaning up the oil and putting the new plugs in, the car ran fine...for about 5 minutes.. then the engine light would start flashing again with the same code, so i thought the code comes back because the oil starts pooling around the spark plugs and the end of coils causing a short.

Fast forward to last monday, the x5s out of the shop with new VCG's and all the coils tested fine so i thought everything was fixed, turns out i was wrong and the code is back again and the engine is shaking..

Anyone ever deal with something like this? i feel like i hit a brick wall...

Again the parts that have been replaced/tested;

Spark Plus
Coils (tested)
CCV's
Valve Cover Gaskets
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links

  #2  
Old 08-14-2014, 04:06 PM
upallnight's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cook County
Posts: 7,280
upallnight is on a distinguished road
Engine is shaking because the DME is shutting down the cylinder(s) with the misfire. Something else is causing the multiple misfires other then spark plugs and coils.

Misfire could be a lean condition where the cylinder that is running lean does not produce the same amount of power as a good cylinder. You may not be able to detect this difference but the computer can. What are the short term and long term fuel trims. The computer will add fuel to a lean conditiion and take away fuel from a rich condition.

You need to look at real time data in order to fix this problem.
__________________
2006 Infiniti G35
2001 BMW 3.0I E53 X5 Build date 08/2000 SOLD
Lotus Europa 1970 Destroyed by fire
Lotus Europa 1970 S2 Renault Powered
Lotus Type 52 1970 Twincam Webers Powered
PORSCHE 911 Targa 1982 The Garage Queen
Audi Avant donated to Kars for Kids
BMW 525IT Sold
Audi 4000CS Quattro Sold
Jensen Healey Lotus Powered Sold
Opel 1900 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1971 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1968 Sold
Plymouth "Cuda" 340 Six pack SOLD
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-14-2014, 07:53 PM
upallnight's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cook County
Posts: 7,280
upallnight is on a distinguished road
Could also be the rubber ccv diaphragms at the back of the head.
__________________
2006 Infiniti G35
2001 BMW 3.0I E53 X5 Build date 08/2000 SOLD
Lotus Europa 1970 Destroyed by fire
Lotus Europa 1970 S2 Renault Powered
Lotus Type 52 1970 Twincam Webers Powered
PORSCHE 911 Targa 1982 The Garage Queen
Audi Avant donated to Kars for Kids
BMW 525IT Sold
Audi 4000CS Quattro Sold
Jensen Healey Lotus Powered Sold
Opel 1900 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1971 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1968 Sold
Plymouth "Cuda" 340 Six pack SOLD
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-17-2014, 08:12 AM
Whitecat's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 411
Whitecat is on a distinguished road
Check also your Cam sensor position - mine was leaking, creating misfire and code with ses light.....ps there is 4 sensor
__________________
2006 X5 4.4i premium, Sport package ,Winter Package, Sat Nav. AFE Power stage II Production : 08-2006
2012 BMW 128I Convertible Black
2011 Mercedes Benz B200 sold
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-18-2014, 02:13 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Edmonton Alberta
Posts: 42
X5Moe4.4 is on a distinguished road
UPDATE:
So I fixed the issue, it turned out to be a leaking intake manifold gasket. Replaced the gaskets and all is well, I guess you can call it a vacuum leak as the car was "sucking" in more air then what the MAF was registering thus meaning the computer would either cut fuel or spark to the cylinder(s) that were getting extra oxygen (atleast that's what I think I could be wrong as far as the cutting fuel or spark).

Just had 1 more question, what are the chances of all 4 oxygen sensors going bad at my milage (137 K kms or about 85k miles)?

I'm not 100% sure about the four oxygen sensors yet as I have yet to pull the codes myself and I'm just going by what my indy is telling me.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-18-2014, 03:35 PM
bcredliner's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Little Elm,Texas. (40 minutes North of Dallas)
Posts: 8,108
bcredliner is on a distinguished road
You could replace the pre cat O2 sensors as preventative maintenance as their primary function contributes to fuel/air ratio. Post cat sensors contribute somewhat to fuel/air ratio but primarily monitor emissions. You are in the range where pre cat sensors can fail. Post cat sensors usually last over 100,000 miles.

I agree you should check for codes. If the pre cat sensors are acting up you may see other related codes, like a lean cylinder(s), rather than an O2 codes.

I am all about performance so I replace O2 sensors before there are symptoms or codes. On my wife's care I still replace them in pairs but not until there are symptoms. The first is the school of thought--that if it's not broken it soon will. The second is if it isn't broken don't fix it. Either route is a reasonable course of action as it relates to O2 sensors.
__________________
X5 4.6 2002 Black Sap, Black interior. 2013 X5M Melbourne Red, Bamboo interior
Dallas
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-18-2014, 08:41 PM
Whitecat's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 411
Whitecat is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by X5Moe4.4 View Post
UPDATE:
So I fixed the issue, it turned out to be a leaking intake manifold gasket. Replaced the gaskets and all is well, I guess you can call it a vacuum leak as the car was "sucking" in more air then what the MAF was registering thus meaning the computer would either cut fuel or spark to the cylinder(s) that were getting extra oxygen (atleast that's what I think I could be wrong as far as the cutting fuel or spark).

Just had 1 more question, what are the chances of all 4 oxygen sensors going bad at my milage (137 K kms or about 85k miles)?

I'm not 100% sure about the four oxygen sensors yet as I have yet to pull the codes myself and I'm just going by what my indy is telling me.
In my case i was talking about the Cam sensor position (2) and exhaust sensor (2) the two Cam was shot on mine after only 110kil ...even my INDY was surprise to see them finish...absolutly need OEM (don't go cheap eBay) those are not free (like $100cdn each) there are so many sensors on the 4.4 it's crazy here is a link explaning those sensors (cam) if your are ok just leave it asis.....Camshaft Position Sensor Failure Symptoms
__________________
2006 X5 4.4i premium, Sport package ,Winter Package, Sat Nav. AFE Power stage II Production : 08-2006
2012 BMW 128I Convertible Black
2011 Mercedes Benz B200 sold

Last edited by Whitecat; 08-18-2014 at 09:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-18-2014, 10:01 PM
upallnight's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cook County
Posts: 7,280
upallnight is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by X5Moe4.4 View Post
UPDATE:
So I fixed the issue, it turned out to be a leaking intake manifold gasket. Replaced the gaskets and all is well, I guess you can call it a vacuum leak as the car was "sucking" in more air then what the MAF was registering thus meaning the computer would either cut fuel or spark to the cylinder(s) that were getting extra oxygen (atleast that's what I think I could be wrong as far as the cutting fuel or spark).

Just had 1 more question, what are the chances of all 4 oxygen sensors going bad at my milage (137 K kms or about 85k miles)?

I'm not 100% sure about the four oxygen sensors yet as I have yet to pull the codes myself and I'm just going by what my indy is telling me.
About the same chances as winning the Powerball Lottery.
__________________
2006 Infiniti G35
2001 BMW 3.0I E53 X5 Build date 08/2000 SOLD
Lotus Europa 1970 Destroyed by fire
Lotus Europa 1970 S2 Renault Powered
Lotus Type 52 1970 Twincam Webers Powered
PORSCHE 911 Targa 1982 The Garage Queen
Audi Avant donated to Kars for Kids
BMW 525IT Sold
Audi 4000CS Quattro Sold
Jensen Healey Lotus Powered Sold
Opel 1900 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1971 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1968 Sold
Plymouth "Cuda" 340 Six pack SOLD
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-18-2014, 10:10 PM
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Edmonton Alberta
Posts: 42
X5Moe4.4 is on a distinguished road
Ugh.... Seems I spoke too soon the p0300 code is back along with the p code for the bank 1 sensor 1 o2 sensor, I assume that is the pre cat o2 on the passenger side of the engine (LHD) correct me if I'm wrong. I'm really really hoping that this fixes my issues as the pre cat o2 sensors deal with the air/fuel mixture. I'm going to order the OE Bosch sensor probably tmr. If that doesn't fix the misfire I guess I'm off to the dealer for a diagnostic. Idk if I should fork over the $$$ for the 4 cam sensors just yet with out getting a proper diagnostic on the truck....

Either way, any input is appreciated greatly.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-19-2014, 08:51 AM
upallnight's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cook County
Posts: 7,280
upallnight is on a distinguished road
If you going to work on your car, you need to get a scanner that can provide real time data. I use the app TORQUE on my android cell phone and tablet. It can provide short term and long term fuel data.

Since you got a DTC for an 02 sensor I would check to see if the sensor is faulty. There are many youtube videos on checking 02 sensor. I suggest you review some of them.
__________________
2006 Infiniti G35
2001 BMW 3.0I E53 X5 Build date 08/2000 SOLD
Lotus Europa 1970 Destroyed by fire
Lotus Europa 1970 S2 Renault Powered
Lotus Type 52 1970 Twincam Webers Powered
PORSCHE 911 Targa 1982 The Garage Queen
Audi Avant donated to Kars for Kids
BMW 525IT Sold
Audi 4000CS Quattro Sold
Jensen Healey Lotus Powered Sold
Opel 1900 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1971 Sold
Triumph Spitfire 1968 Sold
Plymouth "Cuda" 340 Six pack SOLD

Last edited by upallnight; 08-19-2014 at 04:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:42 PM.
vBulletin, Copyright 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
© 2017 Xoutpost.com. All rights reserved. Xoutpost.com is a private enthusiast site not associated with BMW AG.
The BMW name, marks, M stripe logo, and Roundel logo as well as X3, X5 and X6 designations used in the pages of this Web Site are the property of BMW AG.
This web site is not sponsored or affiliated in any way with BMW AG or any of its subsidiaries.