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12-05-2006, 09:41 AM
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For example, we live in a hot climate where it can be over 110 degrees for days on end, and there are only small A/c vents in the rear of the E53 for our son, whereas the Cayenne also has the pillar mounted vents (as just now intro'd on the E70) The telephone usage and nav/stereo use was so straight forward you've gotta wonder what drugs the people who design our nav/idrive are on.... We are actually considering replacing both our E53's with a couple of Cayennes as they offer the space we want, the features etc.... More body roll than the E53, but as the BMW people say when their products aren't up to scratch "Handling is subjective" so we are testing the Cayennes quite a bit.
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12-05-2006, 12:05 PM
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Not sure if I agree on the Cayenne being more spacious. The trunk is definately smaller than the X5's. I could barely fit the baby stroller in the Cayenne while it easily fit in the X5.
I recently transfered a set of 4 19" wheels & tires from one into the other. While I could easily fit all four in the X5 standing up, I could barely fit three in the Cayenne and we had to put the seats down to get the fourth in there! The Cayenne definately feels heavier (which it is) and almost feels like you're pulling a boat. The X5 is a lot more responsive to the pedal. Almost too responsive at times. I have a hard time taking off smoothly sometimes with the family in there...it just wants to launch all the time. The Cayenne needs the extra horsepower just to get it going. While 0-60 is neck to neck with the S, the X5 feels quicker. The Turbo would be the only Cayenne I would ever consider and even then I would have to get over that bloated bubble Porsche styling...
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12-05-2006, 02:28 PM
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here's my thoughts.
I have owned 3 x X5's within the last 5 years & 1 Cayenne Turbo. The first two X5's were 3.0sports, the third (current ride 3.0diesel sport) The CT without question was the best ride we have ever had, hands down. However it was shockingly expensive to run & maintain & we bailed out and got into the X5 diesel. 14 months later we are missing the Cayenne a lot, enough to even put up with the running costs. The new facelift Cayenne looks better in my eyes & with improved HP I would consider the S variant. I have a 1K deposit on the 07 X5 due in April/May but after seeing yesterdays Cayenne press release, I am now considering going back to the Porsche group. Air Suspension is a must though, the ride without it is god damn awful. BTW: I feel there's too much black plastic going on with the X5 exterior.
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12-11-2006, 12:47 AM
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If this is how you feel then my advice is go for it. But some of your logic seems flawed like the X isn't gonna keep you cool because of some small vents. Kinda nutty anology IMHO. But the X is not for everyone and it sounds like your Cayenne sold so stop bashin the X and get the C.
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12-11-2006, 08:23 AM
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When I first bought the 3.0 X5 my son was constantly unsettled because there is precious little airflow up to a toddler in a booster seat. My son is important to me and we found ourselves often trying to direct the front vents between the seats, as the airflow was inadequate on a hot day. Secondly, when I bought the 3.0, I actually got in it EVERY day and enjoyed driving it, long after the thrill of the new car wore off. It's only drawback was a mid range hole in acceleration that made getting on our freeways a challenge. When it came to trading in our 320 my wife wanted the 3.0 so I bought a 4.8 after test driving a LOT of alternatives. I was AMAZED at the handling, the acceleration and told everyone that this was IT, the last car for a very long time as I was happy to spend $165k for the ultimate in driving pleasure. I even ordered a cooler colour than the lovely looking black to assist keeping the inside cool for my son. What I got is a car that is massively unstable around a corner, pings to high heaven on any day over 24 degrees C, the rear suspension collapses whenever it feels like it whether I am driving or stopped, I have constant electrical faults (ext mirrors freeze in down position every day, susp inactive, cluster fails, passenger side door doesn't unlock, alarm goes off when it feels like it, the list goes on) and having patiently spent over 12 months and some 20 visits to the dealer who wrote a report to BMW AUST DENYING the faults exist, I waited 3 months for the official tech to visit. After demonstrating the faults and long discussions (including pointing out to the dealer their internal reports verify my claims), BMW AUST has written back to me stating that the pinging is unacceptable and they have offered to lower the compression in my engine so please go see the wonderful dealer to get the work done. That's it, case closed and ignore the suspension and everything else. I've spent enough money with BMW over the years (and as with the Cayenne overlooking some faults) to have been a fan, but any company that tries to give you the brush off so consistently when the FACTS speak otherwise forces me to choose between trading both cars in for another brand and forgetting BMW, or going to court and fighting those $%^ers... either way I lose money and it pisses me because I thoroughly enjoyed my first X. Third, and final, the day to day usage of the nav and phone were FAR easier in the Cayenne, something that I need due to my work and the fact that talking on a mobile is illegal with your hands where we are..... NOT bashing, just an opinion My solicitors will do the bashing.....
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PREVIOUS 2006 E53 X5 3.0D 2004 E53 X5 4.8is 2004 E53 X5 4.4 Sport 2011 E70 X5 3.0D with Aero kit 2009 E71 X6 50i Sport 2009 E70 X5 50i Sport 2007 E60 540 M Sport LCI (All time favourite car) 2007 E70 X5 4.8i Sport 2005 E53 4.8is 2003 E53 3.0 Sport
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12-11-2006, 10:43 AM
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Once again: do not compare E53 4.8is with E70 4.8i. It's like comparing regular 3er coupe with M3. Or 320i with special edition 320si. Very different personalities.
E70 4.8i is a substitute for E53 4.4i, NOT 4.8is - despite same 4.8 designation. A performance version of E70 will come later - just like E53 performance version came later after E53's launch. Btw, E70 is a very capable vehicle - definitely much better than E53 (comparing entry I6 & V8 versions).
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