Porsche Cayenne Vs BMW X5

[Meiac09]

Other than all that was stated above, you'll end up paying close to $90K for what you'll get in an X for $75K, and then get bent over every oil change.

That... and it needs a gastric bypass.

[DEETZ]

back then I was comparing this 955 Cayenne vs E53 X5 because E70 didn't come out yet.

sorry to go off-topic, but honestly the design of the Cayenne isn't that horrible, it just needs a little touch up here and there.

I have to say what BMW offers for the free maintenance and standard options are good deal since Porsche jacks up the price of their options LOL, 30k worth of options is pretty amusing

[y5choi]

The hood vents are just... quite different than what I'm used to. I guess some like the look and some really don't

[chilliwilli]

Originally Posted by StanF18

...Performance-wise, even the top 4.8 E53 and the 4.8 E70 cannot compete once you go above a Cayenne S. Both the Cayenne Turbo and the Turbo S will blow any X5 out of the water. We're talking 0 to 100 km/hr in 5 seconds flat for the Cayenne Turbo, and even faster for the Turbo S. So there's really no comparison there. The top Cayenne "owns" the top X5...

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

True, but both the ML63 and Jeep SRT8 are faster than all Cayennes....

The Pepper Turbo S has quicker times than both the SRT8 and ML63...the 2009 Turbo S has even more output:

"The twin turbo 4.8-liter in the Turbo S produces 550 horsepower, a 50-hp bump...Torque is up to 553 pound-feet as well". 0-60, i believe, is ~4.7...

2009 ML63 AMG:
"The powerful Benz SUV is still powered by a 6.3 liter V8 engine that produces 510 horsepower, giving it the ability to do 0-62mph in 5.2 seconds"

Jeep SRT8:
"6.1-liter SRT HEMI(R) V-8
0-60 mph in under 5 seconds"

With that referenced...i vote for the X5 ///M!

[TahoeM3]

Originally Posted by chilliwilli

The Pepper Turbo S has quicker times than both the SRT8 and ML63...the 2009 Turbo S has even more output:

"The twin turbo 4.8-liter in the Turbo S produces 550 horsepower, a 50-hp bump...Torque is up to 553 pound-feet as well". 0-60, i believe, is ~4.7...

2009 ML63 AMG:
"The powerful Benz SUV is still powered by a 6.3 liter V8 engine that produces 510 horsepower, giving it the ability to do 0-62mph in 5.2 seconds"

Jeep SRT8:
"6.1-liter SRT HEMI(R) V-8
0-60 mph in under 5 seconds"

With that referenced...i vote for the X5 ///M!

You can't really compare those numbers, because they're not from same condition tests, plus they are not uniform numbers (one is 0-62, others are 0-60), and one is just a guesstimate. I was referencing an actual comparison test where the SRT8 and ML63 were tested against the Cayenne Turbo and were both faster in both the 0-60 and 1/4 mile by a wide margin.

I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the ML63 and SRT8 were about 1/2 second faster in the 1/4 mile and at least a few tenths faster 0-60. It was around 4.4-4.5 for the 0-60 for the SRT8 and ML63 vs. 4.8 for the Cayenne Turbo and 13.0 @108 in the 1/4 for the ML63 vs. around 13.5 for the Cayenne Turbo. I know for a fact from personal experience that an SRT8 is as fast as my M3 and that a Cayenne Turbo isnt.

The Cayenne S is a tick faster but I still don't think it would be fast enough to beat the other two, but I'm sure with enough money you could turn up the boost on that engine to make it competitive.

[cue03]

I find it hard to believe that the x5 ///M will compete or beat those numbers posted for the other vehicles.

Nonetheless, i vote for the x5 ///M when it comes out for all around bad-ass vehicle.

[chilliwilli]

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

You can't really compare those numbers, because they're not from same condition tests, plus they are not uniform numbers (one is 0-62, others are 0-60), and one is just a guesstimate. I was referencing an actual comparison test where the SRT8 and ML63 were tested against the Cayenne Turbo and were both faster in both the 0-60 and 1/4 mile by a wide margin.

I don't have it in front of me, but I believe the ML63 and SRT8 were about 1/2 second faster in the 1/4 mile and at least a few tenths faster 0-60. It was around 4.4-4.5 for the 0-60 for the SRT8 and ML63 vs. 4.8 for the Cayenne Turbo and 13.0 @108 in the 1/4 for the ML63 vs. around 13.5 for the Cayenne Turbo. I know for a fact from personal experience that an SRT8 is as fast as my M3 and that a Cayenne Turbo isnt.

The Cayenne S is a tick faster but I still don't think it would be fast enough to beat the other two, but I'm sure with enough money you could turn up the boost on that engine to make it competitive.

You mentioned that the SRT8 and ML63 were faster than all Cayennes...perhaps you were referencing either the base S or original Cayenne Turbo. Regardless of the testing conditions...the Turbo S leaves all other competition in the dust. We've all read the data...and I've personally seen the Turbo S in action at Englishtown Raceway in NJ. The Turbo S is flat out, the fastest SUV in the market. The 2009 model will be a force to be reckoned with...

[TahoeM3]

Originally Posted by chilliwilli

You mentioned that the SRT8 and ML63 were faster than all Cayennes...perhaps you were referencing either the base S or original Cayenne Turbo. Regardless of the testing conditions...the Turbo S leaves all other competition in the dust. We've all read the data...and I've personally seen the Turbo S in action at Englishtown Raceway in NJ. The Turbo S is flat out, the fastest SUV in the market. The 2009 model will be a force to be reckoned with...

Sorry, no. Actually this was in Automobile Mag this year and included the 2008 Cayenne Turbo with 500 hp...which was slower than both the ML63 and the SRT8. You can check it out online.

The previous 2006 Turbo S ran the 1/4 in about 13.5, which is around where the 2008 Cayenne Turbo runs. The 2009 Cayenne Turbo S will be faster when it comes out but I doubt it will beat the ML63's 13.0@108 in stock form.

[chilliwilli]

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

Sorry, no. Actually this was in Automobile Mag this year and included the 2008 Cayenne Turbo with 500 hp...which was slower than both the ML63 and the SRT8. You can check it out online.

The previous 2006 Turbo S ran the 1/4 in about 13.5, which is around where the 2008 Cayenne Turbo runs. The 2009 Cayenne Turbo S will be faster when it comes out but I doubt it will beat the ML63's 13.0@108 in stock form.

Depends on where you read and driver...seeing it is a whole other matter. Also debatable is how one arrives at their speed measure. I make my measurements based on 0-60 / 1/4 mile / 1/8 mile / top speed...and old fashioned witness. Top speed for Turbo S is 270 km/h...250km/h for ML63. The ML63 0-62 still @ 5sec; 1/4 mile 13.2 @ 105...Turbo S 0-62 @ 4.8sec; 1/4 mile 13.5 @ 107. I'll admit to witnessing one track drag race between the two...in which both were modded and the ML took the 1/4 mile at a whisker. I've witnessed two other similar 1/4 mile runs in which the Turbo S cleared at almost half-car length, both were stock. I believe Turbo S also weighs less. The SRT8 seemed to have a quicker off-the-line but tappered off at the mark. These matches may happen quite often at your nearest racetrack. I've witnessed in Northeast at Oakland Valley and Raceway Park. Ultimately, I prefer timeslips over online comparisons for speed measure.

Before hearing of the X5 ///M, I've been comparing, test driving and salivating over performance SUV's...been going to the tracks to see for myself before deciding on next purchase.

I was merely debating your comment that the ML and Jeep are faster than all cayenne's. Again, there will always be doubt...but the 2009 Turbo S will maintain the claim. We'll just have to wait and see the data on the X ///M's.

OP...pardon the hijack.

[TahoeM3]

Fair enough...I hope the X5 ///M or whatever it is called will be a beast and beats them all. In the mean time, here are a couple of videos featuring the ML63 and the Jeep SRT8 vs. the outgoing Cayenne Turbo S. All are pretty definitive. The 2009 version should fare better when it's out. Agreed though...driver and situation are factors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kBHpHBYFiU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taKUT...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyyDWv6_8Oo