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Old 10-07-2014, 02:42 PM
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X5 vs Cayenne S (yes, another one)

I am torn between these two cars. I know it isn't a fair comparison since I am looking at the 35i and cross shopping it with the Cayenne S.

On the used market the 2011 Cayenne S are around 5k more than the X5 35i. There are many pros and cons with each vehicle, but I can't decide on one. X5 seems to be more comfortable and price point is cheaper, whereas the Cayenne has a nicer interior , "newer" (because of 2011 model change) and potentially use more gas because of it's v8.

I am not exactly sure why I have not considered the 50i, but I feel that the 35i has sufficient power already. For the Cayenne, I've only considered the S model. I always felt that the regular 6 cyl Cayenne was way under powered. (just like my E53 3.0 lol)

I've searched through older threads but the Cayenne S is mainly compared with the x5 50i.

X5 35i I'm mainly looking at a car with comfort seat, navigation and technology package. (torn between M-package because it doesn't have heated steering wheel)

Cayenne S - Many of them don't even have pano roof option. The 14 way or 18 way is great, but 90% of used ones only have the regular seats which I don't like.

You guys will probably think I am crazy comparing these two vehicles, I think I am crazy too but I like both. BMW for better value and Porsche for its aesthetics.
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Yes…interesting comparison. I don't know much of anything about the Porsche.

With that said, what's the Cayenne 6 cylinder performance vs. a 35i? I can't imagine the 35i is that better of a performer, but I don't know that for certain.

We drove the 35i and thought it was underpowered, so we got the 50i. It sounds like the Porsche is just like the X5's…if you are particular about options/packages, you gotta be patient and be willing to search long and hard!

Also, FWIW, the 2013 M Sport with Cold Weather Package does have the heated steering wheel, but not the 2011 or 2012's (at least in the U.S.). If that makes any difference. If you get an X5, I'd at least get one with the Sport Activity Package.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:41 PM
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Yes…interesting comparison. I don't know much of anything about the Porsche.

With that said, what's the Cayenne 6 cylinder performance vs. a 35i? I can't imagine the 35i is that better of a performer, but I don't know that for certain.

We drove the 35i and thought it was underpowered, so we got the 50i. It sounds like the Porsche is just like the X5's…if you are particular about options/packages, you gotta be patient and be willing to search long and hard!

Also, FWIW, the 2013 M Sport with Cold Weather Package does have the heated steering wheel, but not the 2011 or 2012's (at least in the U.S.). If that makes any difference. If you get an X5, I'd at least get one with the Sport Activity Package.
Upon further research, it does seem that the regular 2011 Porsche Cayenne has 300hp and 295lb tq, which is basically the same s the 35i. One's NA and the other is turbo-ed.

I actually haven't driven the new Cayenne / Cayenne S, but I know the older generation Cayenne were terribly under powered. With that said, it automatically deferred me away from the new generation. I have driven a friend's 2012 Cayenne Turbo, and boy was that a blast. Unfortunately, the turbo is out of my budget. The regular Cayenne has also been discontinued to make room for the Macan, so it's even to harder to find a regular Cayenne now with most being Cayenne S.

The 35i, I thought it was okay but as a "safety", I know I can go with an aftermarket tune and see some significant gains, while on the NA Cayenne, aftermarket tunes will have minimal gains.

I have been so used to the heated steering wheel, that it is pretty much a MUST HAVE option. I will look at the 2013 M-sport and see if those come with heated steering wheel. (pricing on 2013s are still pretty high) Another pet-peeve I have with the M-sport is the lack of running boards. I have looked at threads where people actually retrofitted running boards into the M-pack and also retrofitted the X5M/X6M heated steering wheel.

Is Sport Activity Package the one with air suspensions? If so, I was never fond of air suspensions. (Huge maintenance costs in the long run, especially since I am getting a used one. My views maybe biased, because the air suspensions on the mercedes S-class was extremely expensive to maintain.)
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The 35i, I thought it was okay but as a "safety", I know I can go with an aftermarket tune and see some significant gains, while on the NA Cayenne, aftermarket tunes will have minimal gains.

I have been so used to the heated steering wheel, that it is pretty much a MUST HAVE option. I will look at the 2013 M-sport and see if those come with heated steering wheel. (pricing on 2013s are still pretty high) Another pet-peeve I have with the M-sport is the lack of running boards. I have looked at threads where people actually retrofitted running boards into the M-pack and also retrofitted the X5M/X6M heated steering wheel.

Is Sport Activity Package the one with air suspensions? If so, I was never fond of air suspensions. (Huge maintenance costs in the long run, especially since I am getting a used one. My views maybe biased, because the air suspensions on the mercedes S-class was extremely expensive to maintain.)
True, they are many tuning options for the 35i.

A 2013 M Sport equipped with the Cold Weather Package does have the heated steering wheel. If the prices on those are too high and you like the running boards, I'd just skip the M Sport package. You can get the heated steering wheel with any year E70 as along as it has the Cold Weather Package, and running boards were optional but it seems that a good majority of X5's have them. If not, you can add those.
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I'm not sure on the 35i but my 3.0SD (LCI equivalent 35D) has 600Nm of torque and to my understanding the Porsche has 550Nm, obviously the Porsche has more HP but I was pleasantly surprised how much of a difference torque makes, my M5 has 520Nm and the X5 pulls like a b*tch I mean that thing goes, fast. IMO Porsche has the better name and has more prestige but the BMW looks better, I would personally go for the M sport just because I couldn't bear the plastic on the SE model but that's my preference. My nephew used to have a Cayenne Diesel (No comparison to the Cayenne S) and it felt really well put together, the only thing I didn't like was horrid design of the centre console, it's too cluttered and messy, again that's my preference. If it was my money I would go for a 35D M sport with your selected options, the Diesel has more power than Mexico, unless unleaded is your thing then the 35i would still be a good choice. I just personally don't like the front of the Porsche or the interior although it does feel a little better I still think the X5's feels better thought out and more ergonomic, you might get used to the Porsche with ownership but I found it a bit of a pain.
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You are going to make you own decision based on your choices, but being my BIL has the Porsche and I have the X5 35i I'd pick my E70 anyday over his Porsche. #1 I like the looks of the X5 better, I also like the power and handling better in mine, didn't think that would be the case but to me it is. Now as far as other reasons, well I like the gas mileage I get better, also the cost of doing repairs is a lot different, also the cost of MODS is quite a lot cheaper on the BMW as well. Just something to consider..

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True, they are many tuning options for the 35i.

A 2013 M Sport equipped with the Cold Weather Package does have the heated steering wheel. If the prices on those are too high and you like the running boards, I'd just skip the M Sport package. You can get the heated steering wheel with any year E70 as along as it has the Cold Weather Package, and running boards were optional but it seems that a good majority of X5's have them. If not, you can add those.
I've been on autotrader everyday looking at the x5s and Cayennes now

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I'm not sure on the 35i but my 3.0SD (LCI equivalent 35D) has 600Nm of torque and to my understanding the Porsche has 550Nm, obviously the Porsche has more HP but I was pleasantly surprised how much of a difference torque makes, my M5 has 520Nm and the X5 pulls like a b*tch I mean that thing goes, fast. IMO Porsche has the better name and has more prestige but the BMW looks better, I would personally go for the M sport just because I couldn't bear the plastic on the SE model but that's my preference. My nephew used to have a Cayenne Diesel (No comparison to the Cayenne S) and it felt really well put together, the only thing I didn't like was horrid design of the centre console, it's too cluttered and messy, again that's my preference. If it was my money I would go for a 35D M sport with your selected options, the Diesel has more power than Mexico, unless unleaded is your thing then the 35i would still be a good choice. I just personally don't like the front of the Porsche or the interior although it does feel a little better I still think the X5's feels better thought out and more ergonomic, you might get used to the Porsche with ownership but I found it a bit of a pain.
I have definitely considered the 35D as well. I should have probably included that into my comparison as well. I've never had a diesel vehicle before but the gas savings do sound like a very good incentive. I've read many posts between the 35i and 35d and people say fuel consumption wise, city driving there isn't too much difference. I don't use it to tow, so I'm not exactly sure if the diesel is better in my situation. Also, in Canada, I believe that the diesel does not come with the option of M-pack. (I haven't seen any used 35d with M-sport) Gas wise, if I go for the 35D it would be most likely a lot better than the Cayenne S.. decisions, decisions..

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You are going to make you own decision based on your choices, but being my BIL has the Porsche and I have the X5 35i I'd pick my E70 anyday over his Porsche. #1 I like the looks of the X5 better, I also like the power and handling better in mine, didn't think that would be the case but to me it is. Now as far as other reasons, well I like the gas mileage I get better, also the cost of doing repairs is a lot different, also the cost of MODS is quite a lot cheaper on the BMW as well. Just something to consider..

Harry
I totally agree with you, at the end it will be own decision and my car. Repairs, it is expected that Porsche will cost more. Fuel economy wise, the S would probably use more gas, but from searching online, it shouldn't be too much different than the 35i.

My heart wants the Cayenne, but my brain is telling me to get the X5..
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