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Old 10-11-2007, 06:29 AM
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Whistle Am I being silly, or can this be done ?

Hi guys,

I've recently acquired a ULF for my 06/03 X5 3.0d Sport and am sourcing the cradle and mike (I'll get the upgraded one).

For the cradle, I'm not too fussed which phone its for as there certainly wont be one for my XDA Trion (aka HTC Hermes). I just need the pairing button.

The ULF is (I think) 7th generation. Its out of an 06 plate E46 M3. Part number is 84.21 6-969268-02 which I would say does not exist had I not seen it on the side of the ULF.

Anyway, my question (got to it finally), is about the way the ULF downloads the address book. As mentioned, I use an XDA which synchronises with my Exchange Server Outlook. I'm guess this won't synch up with the ULF (too new?) so I was thinking of synching either a K750i or K800i with Outlook - then pairing that with the ULF, and downloading the phone book. Then I'd stick my sim card back in the XDA and pair that with the ULF instead.

I kinda already suspect that by pairing the new phone, I'll lose all the address book from the K800i but could someone confirm or deny this. Otherwise I guess I'll have to use the K800i as a kind of 'Car Phone' and stick a prepay sim in there. Then carry on using the Nokia CK 7w thats already installed for the XDA. Bit convoluted but what else can I do?

Out of interest, if the ULF can't download the phone book from a Windows Mobile device, can I still program numbers into the ULF?

Lastly (phew this is becoming a bit of a marathon post), does the BMW ULF allow more than one phone to be paired with it (as with the Nokia)?

That should do it for now. Thanks in advance.

Kev
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:32 AM
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... one last question I forgot to ask

Why can't these ULFs be updated with new firmware as new phones come on the market - or can they ? Is there a good technical explanation for this?

Cheers again. Kev.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:47 AM
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I use an XDA Orbit with WM6 and this pairs and downloads the phonebook into my Gen6 ULF OK.

You cannot pair one phone, download it's phonebook and then use this phonebook with a different paired phone, as the phonebook gets downloaded each time the ULF attaches to the phone.

There are two options - the 1st being to set up a phonebook in the VR system, so you can then say 'dial name' ... alternatively there is a bit of software that you can install on your XDA called Jetwaremobile (www.jetwaremobile.com) which should allow your phone to download phonebook, read SMS messages etc.

I used this for a while but since upgrading to WM6, don't have the problem any more, though SMS's don't go onto the ULF which is a bit of a pain.

You can pair up to 4 phones, and the ULF will auto-connect, but you need to remember that the last phone paired will have the priority, so you need to make sure that the phone you want to always connect gets paired after any others.

And we have no idea why the ULF's cannot be upgraded - only thought is that perhaps there is too much functionality based in hardware as opposed to firmware.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:55 AM
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If you want, you could get just the pairing button and forgo the entire cradle. A number of folks take this approach for cosmetics. There is an E46 part that is just the pairing button with no cradle.

I actually had a -268 ULF, and that is definitely a well known 7th generation part.

The ULF downloads the phone book through standard BT protocols. The first thing I would recommend is just try the XDA Trion, it may work fine as it is. If it does not work, try installing www.jetwaremobile.com on your XDA. JetWare is a pretty well known BT utility for Windows-based phones that works great with BMW BT.

The ULF recognizes each phone as a unique device based on its physical hardware address. So, if you did the phone swap thing, it would lose the address book when you went back to the XDA. Plus, you are pairing with the phone, not the SIM car, so you would have to individually pair each phone with the ULF, and the ULF would then maintain the phone books for each phone independently.

You can add numbers to the ULF via the voice dialing tags. The numbers do not show up on the nav screen or MID, but it works find. That is actually the way that most other BT systems work.

The ULF can pair with either three or five phones (I can't remember). It can only use one at a time, and I believe that the priority is last paired, first used.

The ULF probably could be updated with new firmware, but BMW has not chosen that path. I suspect it would cost more to implement than it is worth. Many other parts, like the ECU, video module, transmission computer, etc., can be reprogrammed with new firmware, but many of those are not maintained that way by BMW.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:09 AM
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This forum is excellent - thanks Trapdoor/Brian !!!!

I'm really looking forward to getting the ULF fitted now. The XDA is such a useful piece of kit I'd hate to go back to using the K800i (excellent phone though it is).

That really is good news. I somehow imagined that my WM6 device would be too new for the ULF but if it's been done, I'm dead chuffed. I'll grab a copy of that software too in the meantime.

I could just get the pairing button, though a cradle will only set me back a fiver so may as well, as I'd need to find a mount point for the button.

So I'll need an antenna (and cable), a mike, and the cradle then? Hopefully as the m/f steering wheel has the R/T and Voice buttons, the wiring loom is just tucked away in the headlining for the mike and under the armrest for the cradle.

And hopefully the Nokia BT kit won't interfere, maybe I should just take that out once the BMW one is working.

Only thing thats puzzling me is why this ULF has part number
"84.21 6-969268-02" and not - "84 10 6 969 268 7th generation"
What's the significance of the 2nd block on the part number (ie. 21 or 10).

So about 2 hours work then? Sounds like it will be fun... Cheers guys

Kev

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Old 10-11-2007, 07:33 AM
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I would'nt count on the car being pre wired mate, if it is you will be lucky, also the nokia kit will have to be powered off when you power up the ULF as the Nokia BT signal will overpower the signal from the ULF (it did with mine).

As far I as can tell the pair button (on its own) is not available from the dealers in the UK, so you either need the cradle or a creative bodge to get the pair button to work.

BTW your ULF is:
84 10 6 969 268 end of life 04/06 7th generation, the 02 at the end is for the BMW parts system (so it conforms to the BMW stock system, (I think))

Parts
Microphone BMW p/n 84-31-6 938-762 25.54
Microphone Cover BMW p/n 51-44-8 250-115 1.88
Bluetooth Antenna BMW p/n 84-50-6-928-461 9.37
FARKA ULF to Antenna BMW p/n 61-12-6-912-541 16.50

I did the retrofit on my e46, so if you need any help let me know.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:42 AM
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Cheers John, those part numbers will come in handy.

I need to drop the headlining console to try to trace the mike plug this weekend. Almost everywhere I've read it gives the impression that an '03 plate should be pre-wired - but I need to check.

I looked under the oddment tray yesterday and there was nothing but the wires are apparantly accessed by undoing the underside of the armrest so another job for the weekend.

I'll have to see of there's a simple power connector to the Nokia that I can unplug whilst getting the new one working.

BTW, how did you know that that's the part number for the ULF? Only the '21' number is on the sticker on the side of the box

Thanks again. Kev
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:07 AM
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Cheers John, those part numbers will come in handy.
Glad to help.
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I'll have to see of there's a simple power connector to the Nokia that I can unplug whilst getting the new one working.
There should be, or just unpulg the fuse that powers the nokia base unit.

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BTW, how did you know that that's the part number for the ULF? Only the '21' number is on the sticker on the side of the box
I have a full list of the ULF part numbers (for ref), and you said that the last 5 digits were 268-02, so I just deducted the 02 part an bingo.

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You cannot pair one phone, download it's phonebook and then use this phonebook with a different paired phone, as the phonebook gets downloaded each time the ULF attaches to the phone.
not true. my phone book stays the same since i was using a ericsson t39m (excellent phone with a cradle available).

now i have a Nokia e65 which does not download the contacts. but all the contacts stay there from the old phone.
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but i transfered my phone book manually (contacts->send all->via bluetooth)

the problem is how to clear them from there now, as many numbers have been deleted, changed in the phone memory since then
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