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Old 05-26-2009, 09:32 PM
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This TCU has been installed in several E38, E39, and E46 cars from 2000 to 2006. The wiring became standardized across all models in 2002. So, any US-spec harness 2002 or newer would work fine.

I read through your other thread, and I think that I would buy that you have a harness for the BIT-II system, but that is a possibility. Something is severely wrong if the telephone module effectively crashes the entire audio/nav system. If I were you, I would look up the assist wiring harness on the BMW wiring diagram software, and carefully compare it to the 54-pin plug in your harness. Then, I would go one step further and us a multimeter to test the wires to confirm that they are what they should be. Like ccfj suggested, you probably have a fault on the I-Bus wire. That is where I would look first.
ok thanks. The wiring actually came from europe car since i bought it from ebay. I'm very close to just paying for my mistakes and buying a new harness.

you mean to say that you doubt its a bit II system harness? I have the wiring diagram software - not sure how to run it though LOL. Will take a look.
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ok thanks. The wiring actually came from europe car since i bought it from ebay. I'm very close to just paying for my mistakes and buying a new harness.

you mean to say that you doubt its a bit II system harness? I have the wiring diagram software - not sure how to run it though LOL. Will take a look.
The easy way to resolve the issue is to write down the wire colours and corresponding pin numbers of the suspect TCU connection, then compare to the Euro and USA-phone wiring in the WDS.

Determine what you have based on hard cold facts.

Correct any wiring that is different, so that the TCU is then cabled the same as a USA-TCU.

If this is too technical for you, go to an autoelectrician and ask him to do it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 09:37 PM
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Yup, that was a typo in my note. I meant say that I did not think you had BIT-II wiring... However, that was before I knew that you got it from Europe. So, given that you have no idea the source of the wiring, all bets are off. Plus, the harness is a mismatch for your DSP. You are 0 for 2. It is a tough decision, but I would consider starting over with a proper harness. You can probably get your harness working, but it will take some effort and a lot of very careful wire tracing against the wiring diagram for your car.
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Old 05-26-2009, 10:38 PM
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Yup I hear you. All bets are off for sure. I had the harness installed by an indie mechanic so i dont know if i want to get the new one and incur the cost for another install. DSP i'm not concerned about - I want to put in replacement amp and sub anyway.

I opened up the wiring diagram DVD I have and i'm not an electrician. Can't understand it.
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Yup I hear you. All bets are off for sure. I had the harness installed by an indie mechanic so i dont know if i want to get the new one and incur the cost for another install. DSP i'm not concerned about - I want to put in replacement amp and sub anyway.

I opened up the wiring diagram DVD I have and i'm not an electrician. Can't understand it.

try this... the WDS is online now:
WDS BMW Wiring Diagram System - Model Selection
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:09 AM
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Thanks Jochen.

To clarify - when i plug in the TCU, I can't turn on the nav monitor. No radio etc.

I'll check out the pins and compare as you suggested as well.

The TCU isn't faulty because with the previous harness I had bluetooth working fine.

Chances are if there is a difference with the US and EU specs TCU harness then I've got the EURO version harness and US version TCU (since it was in the car when i purchased it and working)

thanks again for the responses.
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Thanks Jochen.

To clarify - when i plug in the TCU, I can't turn on the nav monitor. No radio etc.

I'll check out the pins and compare as you suggested as well.

The TCU isn't faulty because with the previous harness I had bluetooth working fine.

Chances are if there is a difference with the US and EU specs TCU harness then I've got the EURO version harness and US version TCU (since it was in the car when i purchased it and working)

thanks again for the responses.
Time to compare TCU wiring:

USA TCU Everest
54p black connector.
Key pins:
15=ibus
17=Term30 (permanent power)
18=Term30 (permanent power)
35=TermR (ignition switch power)
36=Ground
52=Illumination
54=Ground

Euro ULF
54p black connector.
Key pins:
15=ibus
17=Term30 (permanent power)
18=not used
35=TermR (ignition switch power)
36=Ground
52=Illumination
54=not used
== same as US TCU

BIT interface with Siemens phone
54p black connector.
Key pins:
13=ibus !!!!!
17=Loudspeaker !!!
24=Ground
25=Term30 (permanent power)
31, 32=Term 30
33,34 = Ground
42=Ground
43=Term30
== MAJOR wiring differences between BIT wiring and ULF/TCU

CONCLUSION: Your loom is wired for a different Telephone module.
Because you don't know what your loom was made for the ONLY solution to your problem is to pull the connector housing off the loom's telephone connector and document all fitted pins and wire colours.

THEN re-pin the connector to match your telephone unit that you are fitting
(Re-pin = remove wire from existing connector pin number, and insert to new pin number. Use small jewellers scredrivew to push down the locking tab to remove the wire.)

Refer to the WDS for your correct pin numbers and wire colours.

After an hours or so of repinning you'll have the problem fixed.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:49 PM
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Time to compare TCU wiring:

USA TCU Everest
54p black connector.
Key pins:
15=ibus
17=Term30 (permanent power)
18=Term30 (permanent power)
35=TermR (ignition switch power)
36=Ground
52=Illumination
54=Ground

Euro ULF
54p black connector.
Key pins:
15=ibus
17=Term30 (permanent power)
18=not used
35=TermR (ignition switch power)
36=Ground
52=Illumination
54=not used
== same as US TCU

BIT interface with Siemens phone
54p black connector.
Key pins:
13=ibus !!!!!
17=Loudspeaker !!!
24=Ground
25=Term30 (permanent power)
31, 32=Term 30
33,34 = Ground
42=Ground
43=Term30
== MAJOR wiring differences between BIT wiring and ULF/TCU

CONCLUSION: Your loom is wired for a different Telephone module.
Because you don't know what your loom was made for the ONLY solution to your problem is to pull the connector housing off the loom's telephone connector and document all fitted pins and wire colours.

THEN re-pin the connector to match your telephone unit that you are fitting
(Re-pin = remove wire from existing connector pin number, and insert to new pin number. Use small jewellers scredrivew to push down the locking tab to remove the wire.)

Refer to the WDS for your correct pin numbers and wire colours.

After an hours or so of repinning you'll have the problem fixed.

You guys are the best. Thanks Jochen. This definitely makes sense and thanks for the above research. NOW i think I can handle this. LOL. I just have to figure out where pin 1 is

Once it stop's raining here I'll pop the trunk and take a look at this.

So here's a thought - it's most likely that I have BIT right? Since it looks like power and ground are on different wires it could possibly cause my issue of absolutely no power to anything else. Just a thought - could be completely off and you can feel free to say "stop assuming.. just go check the pins.."
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You guys are the best. Thanks Jochen. This definitely makes sense and thanks for the above research. NOW i think I can handle this. LOL. I just have to figure out where pin 1 is
Written on the connector. It's small, use a good light and a magnifying glass if your eyes are no longer so young :-)

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So here's a thought - it's most likely that I have BIT right?
NO NO NO - you cannot leap to conclusions just because I found 1 out of many different TEL types that is different to the USA TCU.

The WDS shows around 20 different TEL types and I did not check them all.

You MUST document the wire colours and pin numbers, that is the ONLY way to find out what you loom is cabled for.
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:45 PM
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Understood. No quick and easy way. LOL. I'll report back with findings as i'm sure i'll need help finding the right one in WDS.
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