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Old 03-07-2006, 05:28 PM
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... I hope all the legal talk doesn't delay the posting of V27 on this site as I'm looking forward to it
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If it's not posted here, it will be posted somewhere on the net. After all, the net is simply one large intellecutal property infringement.
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TheOfficeMaven - you are really doing my head in with this copyright crap!! I pay £50K for a bloody car and expect an up to date operating system on the sat nav. It's free. BMW make the money on the Nav disk and big money at that.

My car is in at the dealers tomorrow and I am going to get the V27 CD from a mate who works there - I'll post it somewhere for the world to see. People may download it free of charge. WTF there is some f***er on ebay selling V26 for £14.99 + postage - and guess what? BMW don't give a f***.
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copyrighted....Who cares!!!!
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TheOfficeMaven - you are really doing my head in with this copyright crap!! I pay £50K for a bloody car and expect an up to date operating system on the sat nav. It's free. BMW make the money on the Nav disk and big money at that.

My car is in at the dealers tomorrow and I am going to get the V27 CD from a mate who works there - I'll post it somewhere for the world to see. People may download it free of charge. WTF there is some f***er on ebay selling V26 for £14.99 + postage - and guess what? BMW don't give a f***.
That's great! I'm glad that my posts are making folks think about this at least.

As I've mentioned, I have no problem with it at all (and I sleep just fine at night too).

The ONLY reason I mentioned any of this is because I don't like the way that Ace is jumping on anyone who mentions anything at all about the nav map data discs (and I could care less about those being "shared" as well). I just want him (and others) to recognize that there's no difference between the two from a legal perspective.

You/we may feel more comfortable ripping off the nav firmware (because as you've mentioned, BMW doesn't directly charge for it - although you do indeed pay for it in the long run though with the extraordinary price they charge us all for their very outdated nav systems), but truth be told, they are both copyrighted material and it's still wrong to do so (no matter how you want to look at it).

A nice example I can think of is iTunes... That's free software (although you are paying for it in the purchase price of your iPod), but if you think that Apple would sit back and let folks hack it up and then re-distribute it, you've got another thing coming. Hell Apple's all over my back right now for this very thing (well close anyway). We're just lucky that BMW doesn't seem to mind is all.

Again, I'm okay with all of this (in fact I quite enjoy it all). I just want folks to know the truth and not walk through life with blinders on is all.

DVD/CD map data disc or nav firmware update disc... It's all the same. If the sysops choose not to promote anything to do with the map data discs, that's fine. But please don't let other forum members chastise folks for posting about them. Let the sysops deal with it.

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copyrighted....Who cares!!!!
EXACTLY my point.

So why single one out over the other?

Bring on V27...
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EXACTLY my point.

So why single one out over the other?

Bring on V27...

Not sure about the answer to this, but are the company that makes the OS and the Nav CDs/DVD one and the same? Maybe there's been a cease & desist sent to the admins of this site that we all don't know about?

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Not sure about the answer to this, but are the company that makes the OS and the Nav CDs/DVD one and the same? Maybe there's been a cease & desist sent to the admins of this site that we all don't know about?
That's quite possible.

I believe that the map data is owned by NavTeq and licensed to BMW for use in their nav systems. However, I'm sure that the firmware is done in the exact same way. More than likely, the firmware is written by a separate company and then licensed to BMW (or whomever the manufacturer of the nav units are). Thus, whomever wrote the firmware owns the copyrights to it (unless they sold it outright to BMW).
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I believe that the map data is owned by NavTeq and licensed to BMW for use in their nav systems. However, I'm sure that the firmware is done in the exact same way. More than likely, the firmware is written by a separate company and then licensed to BMW (or whomever the manufacturer of the nav units are). Thus, whomever wrote the firmware owns the copyrights to it (unless they sold it outright to BMW).
The navigation operating system is produced by VDO for BMW. BMW has a license to redistribute it to both their dealers and to the retail channel. If you want to be 100% legit, you can either have your dealer perform the upgrade (which may or may not be done at no charge) or you can order part 01-59-0-141-891 from any BMW parts counter. That is the NAV OS update CD. Note that the part number does not change when a new version comes out, only the "Index" number does. So you may get an out-of-date disc.
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