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The last time I heard details it was that if every person in the world stood double arm length apart the whole world's population would cover the 3 most western counties of Texas. We are truly a small object on a humungous planet.

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Originally Posted by EODguy (Post 1184313)

At elbows length, CT.

If you made single family homes on a normal lot TX could fit the entire population of Earth with 5 person families.

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1184319)

At elbows length, CT.

If you made single family homes on a normal lot TX could fit the entire population of Earth with 5 person families.

Man's abilities to change the landscape and environment is no longer limited to axe and shovels. So the amount of humans living on this planet doesn't have a direct correlation to how much damage we can cause.

An analogy would be, it takes just a mad man's order to put into motion the firing of a nuclear missle that destroys an entire city.

It takes nature years to cultivate an ecosystem that is beneficial to the survival of a particular organism, but hours to destroy with an industrial bulldozer.

Turning fertile land and forests into barren deserts seems to be our speciality.

Just how long will it take before mankind destroys the last bit of grassland and forests on this planet?

Not much, just takes a few greedy idiots in charge.

So if you still think our ability to destroy is limited to the small numbers of humans on this "humongous planet", you should think again.

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Originally Posted by crystalworks (Post 1184268)

Nobody wants the reminder. I certainly don't want there to be pandemics. It's more a reminder on a personal level of how really small and not in control of everything we all are (including our self-important government). How quickly things can change. I've spent more time with my parents and enjoyed watching them with my kids more now than ever before. It's nice to get the reminder that life is finite and to enjoy those you love for as long as you can. They seem to appreciate it more as well.

I don't think things will change on a national level, except maybe going to war with China (or someone else) once more information is gathered about its origination. But I hope I'm wrong on both counts.

No, I was referring to the media and certain politicians. They love to report on the most sensational, least rational, and greatest money generating points of view they can find.

Valid point. There are definitely differences between the seasonal flu and cov19. But there are similarities as well. The quote below from health.com shows how many people die (estimated) of flu each year according to the CDC and there is a range associated with the numbers as well, they are giving the estmate, while the CDC's website shows the whole range.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

I definitely think the number for cov-19 will be higher than the seasonal flu, for reasons you mentioned (no vaccine, treatments). But it is not going to be catastrophic. As Andrew pointed out, it disproportionately affects the elderly just like the flu. Especially those with pre-existing conditions. If there has to be a silver lining, it looks like cov-19 might be less deadly to children than the flu.

All valid points. We are still learning about this. But don't let the "permanent damage" fear take hold yet. It could be true, we don't know. It's only been a few months. And it might only be in like .05% of cases if there is permanent damage... or it could be in 10% of cases. We don't know.

But as someone who has had walking pneumonia for a year without knowing (I have really large lungs and it took that long to progress and fill up with fluid enough to affect my breathing) and developed scar tissue in my lungs. With therapy and exercise, it does heal. My last set of films showed my lungs nice and clear again and I no longer wheeze on deep breaths. Smokers are also able to clear their lungs from years of damage after they quit. My sister was a lifelong smoker and would hack and gag all the time. She quit about a year ago, sounds like a totally different person.

^Now that above paragraph is unrelated to cov-19 per se, but the human body can repair itself to an amazing degree.

Sorry to post your whole message. How do I do those blue boxes? Never have learned how to do that.

Yes, I've been reflecting quite a lot. My wife and I are in MO. for who know how long so we are also a long way from our children who live in Dallas and our furry friends. We use Zoom and Facetime. We have been doing that since the shelter in place started so it's not much help anymore.

I agree they don't know enough about any permanent damage. Just wanted to bring that up as something to consider if one is not following the guidelines in their area. I certainly don't want to make it sound like the sky is falling because of this pandemic because I agree that it is not.

Virus cases are very low here in St. Joseph but it seems many more people are being careful than in Dallas. Dallas cases are starting to decline which means so far the staged opening and the number of people that aren't following the guidelines has had no perceivable impact toward increasing new cases. Same is true of all of Texas if you run a trend line to average out the spikes. It would be better without the spikes but it could be that is a reporting lag some days.

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1184323)

Turning fertile land and forests into barren deserts seems to be our speciality.

Just how long will it take before mankind destroys the last bit of grassland and forests on this planet?

Probably the same amount of time it took for the Middle East to become a desert. You can still find rock paintings in the empty quarter showing hippos, giraffes, elephants and huge fish and men swimming all on the same rock. This place was lush savanna less than 5,000 years ago. I am pretty sure the bedouins SUVs didn't cause it and there's no proof of widespread damming of rivers with mud bricks etc. Look at Saudi Arabia from a geosat and you will see a riverbed that's over 150km wide stretching from north to south.

Last time everyone got stuff banned globally for the environment was after the film Silent Spring and they banned DDT causing the deaths of an estimated 30 million people from mosquito borne diseases.

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There’s also studies that points out to the vomiting, nausea, reproductive harm of DDT over long term exposure.

As a synthetic compound, there were many side effects that came with the use of DDT.

Simply stating 30 millions are dead due to malaria doesn’t necessarily mean the death could have been prevented by use of DDT.

If the world never invented DDT, the mosquitoes may not have mutated and developed a stronger, insecticide resistant dna strains.

Point is, whatever synthetic and artificial elements man introduces into the environment will almost certainly have an adverse and unknown effect that comes back to us, and most of the time not in a good way.

Be smart when developing life saving technologies. Include the environment and mindful of the effects the new element will have on the world.

That’s what I mean by sustainability.

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Originally Posted by Maruzo (Post 1184323)

So if you still think our ability to destroy is limited to the small numbers of humans on this "humongous planet", you should think again.

Not speaking for the others, but I think what we were getting at was that we are not in control of all things nature can throw at us. Yes, we can bulldoze the planet, or destroy it with nukes... but it can also kill a large percentage of us with a virus/disease. Or super volcano. That's what I was getting at, and I think what they were as well. The planet will be here long after we are gone as a species.

@eod. Maybe you’re wrong look at all the cave drawings maybe they have SUV also.

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Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1184329)

Yeah, this site does not make multi quoting easy. Takes me awhile as I usually open up people's quotes in multiple tabs and copy/paste from those into my main editing tab. It's tedious, but my OCD makes me do it. You can also use generic quote boxes using the button above the text window. It won't say who said what, but will add the blue box.

Hopefully, the trend down continues and you guys will feel safe returning to your home in Dallas at whatever time your ready. Fingers crossed cov19 peeters out so it can be sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn (Post 1184351)

@eod. Maybe you’re wrong look at all the cave drawings maybe they have SUV also.

SAV Andrew... SAV. ;)

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Originally Posted by bcredliner (Post 1184329)

My wife and I are in MO.

I am trying to put together a plan to take a little break. I have a property in Branson, and I am hoping I can get away for a bit.

A vacation sounds so good right now. I am a bit frazzled.