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but Eric you being of Jewish descent have to agree that our people were not are not and most likely will not ever be accepted anywhere. so what else can we do? we dont make a point that we are the best and anyone non Jewish cant live, we dont kill because we are hungry for 72 big chested virgins (if you find a big chested virgin in heaven please let me know). so yes irgun was a "terrorist" group but they were fighting for a right to exist somewhere, there is not a single Jewish state, arabs have the entire middle east.

Correct on both accounts, I would guess, but his point about "sowing the seeds of hatred" cuts to the heart of the matter and is quite valid. Where are the opportunities to short circuit or diminish the cycles of hate and prejudice, particulary in a part of the world criss-crossed by cultures at odds over one another?

Too strident a response will only create more Hezbollah recruits--at what point do the diminishing returns kick in? What would the world be like today wihout the Serb who shot Archduke Ferdinand, without the Treaty of Vienna, without Hitler, and without a Holocaust?

Years ago in NYC, I shared a loft with a couple, Michael and Zena. He was a Jew from NY, she was Lebanese. I believe they got married. There is hope.

Good point. Your mistake is that you are grouping all Arabs together. Let's see how you would feel if you were the victim given those circumstances....

What if, for example, a group of Native Americans were to form a terrorist group and begin a successful fight for their land back hundreds of years after they lost the land (which is what Irgun and the Stern gang did). What if their justification was "White people have the entire continent of Europe and also Canada, but American Indians do not have their own country."

Now let's suppose that during this "independence" war, this terrorist group came to your land and kicked you off, and in the process they killed some of your family and friends.

Would you quietly move to Europe or Canada, or would you stay to join the group who was going to fight against them and disrupt their new country by all means necessary?

Most Palestineans did indeed move to other countries. But a fair percentage of them refused to move, and they are the ones who make up the current population of Gaza and the West Bank.

When you think of yourself, do you feel that you are more "American" or more "White"? My guess is that you associate yourself more as being an American. So can you understand how those people associate themselves as being "Palestinean" more than being "Arab"?

And with that, I have now said my peace/piece (pun intended) on this subject. Back to no more political posts....

Please don't think that anything that I said supports what you said before. And also, please do not compare the killing of 250,000 people to the killing of 500 people (the total Lebonese deaths in the current war). It is not even close.

In no way am I justifying terrorism. What I am saying is that both sides are equally guilty here. But that does not mean I agree with them. I think they are both wrong, and the unfortunate result is that innocent civilians on both sides suffer.

IMO, both sides should rise up and kick their extremist leaders out of office and find some more moderate leaders to negotiate a peace treaty and both should have their own countries. Unfortunately, a nasty human reflex reaction is that when we are faced with violence and are scared, we tend to give more support to extremists, which is exactly what we see happening on both sides of the current conflict.

correct but if they would do me no harm i would agree to live with them as many israelis are doing but i'm referring to the ones that want to get rid of the Jewish people as a whole its not a matter of Israel, thats just a scapegoat for a bigger picture of "Extinguish all Jews" rid the world of them. There are plenty palestinians and arabs in Israel who live in harmony. and yes neither side is correct but the problem is its a country vs a terrorist group how is that even comparable? you cant sit down and speak with them they are everyone.

at a rate of 25000/year you get 250000 over 10 years if the Israelis kill 25000 lebanese palestinians hezbolah whatever the hell they are there wont be anyone else to kill this is not a war to KILL JUST ANYONE its a war to KILL THOSE WHO DONT WANT THERE TO BE PEACE UNLESS THE JEWS ARE EXTERMINATED get it?! and for the record this ignorant kid you are referring to is not here.