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Wagner 11-14-2008 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by weasel56
Banning people from buying guns would only exacerbate the problem in my opinion. Because that would not only disarm all the honest people, but let the crooks know that people are now disarmed and even more easy targets than before. Because no matter what, you can't keep the criminals from getting weapons.

If you want to try to make a positive difference, up the police forces and have special units solely for tracking down the sources and underground weapons suppliers... because I know every gang member that sprays down a neighborhood with an AK47 or MP5 didn't purchase and register their guns at the local sports academy or shooters club. I even know someone myself who recently bragged to me at a local bar that he just bought a stolen MP5 with folding stock. Given the nature of this person I made an anonymous call to the local police, and he was not only picked up with that, but the idiot had a few pounds of weed in the car as well. Feels good to do my part!
Careful, that sounds like being responsible.

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Weasel 11-14-2008 08:40 PM
Only in some aspects though... I also made anonymous tip calls about the gas price screw up I just posted about, but to all my friends! I just got a thank you call from a friend who said there was a line forming at that station....... consisting 100% of people I called! :nanana:

ylwjacket 11-14-2008 09:27 PM
until you black out you're license plate in your picture, it's not anonymous.

but, glad you did it anyways.

FSETH 11-14-2008 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wagner
I do. People are LEGALLY buying them. Legal ammo and legal guns are not what you should be afraid of, illegal owners are :tsk:

This is where the masses get confused. There are hundreds of state and federal gun laws. You should see the paperwork and background checks involved in buying a handgun in Maryland for example. It is stolen guns that are the problem.
I agree with you on that. It is the stolen guns that are typically the problem, but with all these people legally buying guns these days there are plenty going around to steal. Let's face it, the more guns floating around in private homes increases the chances for them to be stolen and used in a crime. Also, what keeps a kid from taking their parents legally bought and registered gun to school or something? These things do happen.

FSETH 11-14-2008 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by weasel56
Banning people from buying guns would only exacerbate the problem in my opinion. Because that would not only disarm all the honest people, but let the crooks know that people are now disarmed and even more easy targets than before. Because no matter what, you can't keep the criminals from getting weapons.
What about countries that have already made guns illegal like England and such? They have a much lower gun related death rate than we do? I would imagine that they had to disarm the honest people too and they are doing just fine now with regard to gun related crimes and death rates from what I can find.

I am also asking why our rates are so much higher than other countries where guns are legal. :dunno:

FSETH 11-14-2008 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by motordavid
Hard to find current/good stats on "death by guns, US",
but one item that keeps popping up is that ~50% of the
"death by gun" in US, are suicides...
In a weird way, that does make me feel better about our statistics.

By the way, I like this...

Retired Bum & Geriatric Heart Throb :thumbup:

Wagner 11-15-2008 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FSETH
I agree with you on that. It is the stolen guns that are typically the problem, but with all these people legally buying guns these days there are plenty going around to steal. Let's face it, the more guns floating around in private homes increases the chances for them to be stolen and used in a crime. Also, what keeps a kid from taking their parents legally bought and registered gun to school or something? These things do happen.
Again, it would be stolen. And unlike most people, I would be in favor of laws that not only charge the child as an adult but also charge the parents (involuntary manslaughter, if someone is injured/killed and giving a firearm to a minor, if no one was killed/injured) Along with that I also believe anyone deemed appropriate to own a gun should automatically be deemed appropriate to carry.

Comes down to personal responsibility. With the amount of paperwork (and state police course that MD requires) the onus is on the owner. My guns, for example are in two different types of safes. A standard digital and a biometric. INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY :)

Wagner 11-15-2008 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FSETH
What about countries that have already made guns illegal like England and such? They have a much lower gun related death rate than we do? I would imagine that they had to disarm the honest people too and they are doing just fine now with regard to gun related crimes and death rates from what I can find.

I am also asking why our rates are so much higher than other countries where guns are legal. :dunno:
We're a much more violent society. We also have far more people incarcerated for stupid crimes (selling weed for example), than any other nation. The US legislates like crazy, mainly to get around the BoR.

I am enjoying this debate :thumbup:

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"Forecast International, a commercial market-analysis company, makes the following estimates about the proliferation of small arms manufacture in their "Ordnance and Munitions Forecast", published in October 2000:
- More than 43 million military-style small arms of all types were produced outside the US, between 1980 and 1999.
- More than 1.4 million military small-arms of all types were produced for the US armed forces between 1970 and 1999.
- 37,000 small arms were produced for the US armed forces during 2000.
According to the US Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, and Tobacco (BAFT), around 4.37 million firearms are produced in the US every year. According to "Small Arms Survey 2001", it is estimated that at least 347 million small arms were produced worldwide between 1945 and 2000."

Weasel 11-15-2008 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FSETH
Also, what keeps a kid from taking their parents legally bought and registered gun to school or something? These things do happen.
Well, hopefully good parenting.

Also if a kid is brought up around guns and taught gun safety and awareness from a young age he is a lot less likely to ever do anything retarded like that. Much in the same way that a young kid brought up in a nudist colony would not freak out and get excited when his friends found their dads porno mag stash and brought a playboy to school.

I was not sheltered from things when being raised... guns, drinking/drugs, r-rated movies, nothing. And I feel I am a better and more responsible person because of that. If you try to keep a kid away from something just telling them that it is bad, they will want it even more. I was at a young age shooting .22 rifles and pistols and 4.10 shotguns at targets with the parents. And when I was older and found dads pistols, or gun cabinet keys... I never had the curiosity to play with them.

MrLabGuy 11-16-2008 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Wagner
FL is SO easy for that MD, on the other hand, nearly impossible :(
In California the only people who carry concealed weapons are the bad guys. If you are an upstanding citizen with no criminal record you wait months just for a license for a firearm. If Nancy Pelosi has her way only the criminals will have guns.


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