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Old 09-25-2015, 10:05 PM
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From a dealer motivation standpoint, absolutely.

From a security of warranty and resale value perspective, time will tell.
Shopping for a X5 Diesel on Monday. Just checking….
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Interesting. EPA and US prosecutors could be some VW people biggest concerns. Especially now after the giant appeared to have very tiny legs and probably will not offer protection to employees/ex-employees.
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When you google VW diesel a couple of the top listings (advertised) are class action lawsuit signups.

The thirst is real.
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I suspect that the propensity to pursue litigation is different by country. When I Google I don't get any class action lawsuit links (here in Canada).

However, one of the top search hits is this photo, from Portland. It is a flyer found on the windshield of a TDI.
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What if someone made that flyer and put it on his windshield to show in the court how much humiliation is to drive a TDI, before he asks for his compensation
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It gets uglier by the day, as the back stories and thinly buried info seeps out.

I suspect VW is going to have to set aside/take future charges on a lot more than the that $7 B, in the next few weeks.

Wonder if PCar can survive: great cars, high ratings & loyal fan base, but they need a large deep pocket Mother to keep going. Maybe a buyout target.

That Portland flyer is typical, imo. Reminds me of our closest 'city' of Asheville...

How would you like to be that new CEO of VW? PCar guy, hoping to land at the new PCar company after the homecoming floats have burned and the dust and ashes settle.

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I can't stand Portland. It is the hipster capital of the west.

I'll be surprised if VW actually takes a beating on this. I am guessing it is going to be a slap on the wrist, or it'll come out that other companies are doing something similar. Nothing happened to GM, who actually killed people, and everyone seems to have forgotten about the killer airbags before that even came to a resolution.

As far as the new CEO goes, some have been speculating that this whole thing was a ploy to get him into the chair and do the spring cleaning/restructuring that VW needs.

Then you have others conspiring that this whole thing is just to get diesels off the road entirely
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It may or may not be a slap on the wrist in the US, but it is a global problem for VW. If they get into deep enough trouble in Europe (see posts above) then it won't matter about the US, they won't have any cars to sell there.

I actually think it is a bigger problem for diesels than VW. As regulators rationalize the different fuel tax rates, and tighten up the NOx standards in Europe, life will get tough for those trying to shift consumers to diesels.
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The EU is a collection of push overs. I doubt they have the balls to cripple VAG. But we are also still trying to figure out what exactly happened. If it does come out as blatant cheating, it'll be bad, but not crippling bad.

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No no, Seattle is the capital of Subaru driving Granolas sporting gay pride bumper stickers. Portland is just Hipsters and Hobos.
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