Lexus LS460 is a copycat of 7er.

Juanted · #1 01-21-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vinuneuro

The RX and LS both had amazing sales too. At least they're doin it right

. But yes, they're quality/reliability is unmatched.

Yeah... but they have no soul... I'll stick with my bimmer. I've never liked Lexus; as mentioned here before, they've always copied designs from Benz or BMW. It's a good, reliable brand, but I'll never own one.

Juan

vinuneuro · #2 01-21-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaefer

Yeah... but they have no soul... I'll stick with my bimmer. I've never liked Lexus; as mentioned here before, they've always copied designs from Benz or BMW. It's a good, reliable brand, but I'll never own one.

Juan

Juan, I too would never buy a Lexus for the same reasons you mentioned. However, they are inarguably making a vehicle of outstanding quality. I am merely suggesting, that it's sales is a testament to its success (as a copied vehicle)

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RealShakaZulu · #3 01-21-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vinuneuro

Juan, I too would never buy a Lexus for the same reasons you mentioned. However, they are inarguably making a vehicle of outstanding quality. I am merely suggesting, that it's sales is a testament to its success (as a copied vehicle)

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Vin, I agree. For the CFO a soul has little to no impact on car purchasing decisions. She wants reliable, low maintenance, durable conveyance at little to no cost that she can drive until she falls through the floor board. Lexus/Toyota does this better than anyone, which is why she drives an ES330.

I want to love a Lexus badly... it makes way more sense than a Bimmer. But when I grab the door handle and it weakly opens the door, I slide into the thin leather seats, close the door w/o a vault-like sound and drive it... I crave my BM even more.

SANguru · #4 01-21-2006, 10:56 PM

That's a pretty big misnomer though. Lexus 3.0 V6 motors had a major fiasco a couple years bad - oil sludging problems. They did hide the problem pretty well and bought cars back. They even gave some customers brand new cars to keep CSAT surveys high. I did drive the 3.5l IS and that car definitely has more soul and power than the E90 330i... Well done on Lexus' part.

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Originally Posted by vinuneuro

Juan, I too would never buy a Lexus for the same reasons you mentioned. However, they are inarguably making a vehicle of outstanding quality. I am merely suggesting, that it's sales is a testament to its success (as a copied vehicle)

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vinuneuro · #5 01-21-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SANguru

That's a pretty big misnomer though. Lexus 3.0 V6 motors had a major fiasco a couple years bad - oil sludging problems. They did hide the problem pretty well and bought cars back. They even gave some customers brand new cars to keep CSAT surveys high. I did drive the 3.5l IS and that car definitely has more soul and power than the E90 330i... Well done on Lexus' part.

Very interesting. I think it's quite unfortunate that Lexus didn't offer the 350 with a manual transmission. That egine has some good technology/R&D behind it.

ricky.agrawal · #6 01-21-2006, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vinuneuro

Very interesting. I think it's quite unfortunate that Lexus didn't offer the 350 with a manual transmission. That egine has some good technology/R&D behind it.

It does have a decent paddle shifter though, but you are right; no manual except on the IS250.

I think the M5 doesn't have a true manual either.. at least for a few more months. Due to demand I think they are going to bring a 6sp manual.

SANguru · #7 01-21-2006, 11:04 PM

so what's a true manual?? SMG is a sequential box with no torque convertor.. the shifts are faster than anybody can shift. It's not like the MB slushboxes, or the lexus slushboxes...

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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal

It does have a decent paddle shifter though, but you are right; no manual except on the IS250.

I think the M5 doesn't have a true manual either.. at least for a few more months. Due to demand I think they are going to bring a 6sp manual.

ricky.agrawal · #8 01-21-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SANguru

so what's a true manual?? SMG is a sequential box with no torque convertor.. the shifts are faster than anybody can shift. It's not like the MB slushboxes, or the lexus slushboxes...

Manual with a cluth.
I agree with you 100%; SMG can shift faster than a human. Isn't BMW moving to DSG for smoother shifts soon?

vinuneuro · #9 01-21-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal

It does have a decent paddle shifter though, but you are right; no manual except on the IS250.

I think the M5 doesn't have a true manual either.. at least for a few more months. Due to demand I think they are going to bring a 6sp manual.

The IS350s "paddles" operate the automatic transmission. It's nothing more than tiptronic controls from the steering wheel.

ricky.agrawal · #10 01-21-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vinuneuro

The IS350s "paddles" operate the automatic transmission. It's nothing more than tiptronic controls from the steering wheel.

Right, but it's not that bad of a slushbox compared to what Lexus has previously used (or at least I've used) and seems to respond quicker than AMG SpeedShift.