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Happy · #1 04-28-2020, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

Truth is, we are all at the mercy of a virus.

I am going to respectfully disagree with this statement.

I personally am not at the mercy of this virus, or any virus for that matter. I am at the mercy of God and healed by his Son.

In my own opinion, someone with the virus may say the name Jesus in prayer with a hope of getting better. But I tell you, without genuine belief or faith that he arose from his grave trampling on death to fulfill Gods command, it’s just another name.

Jesus life up to his crucifixion was well documented by multiple nations. Believing he was on earth is not faith. That’s having historical knowledge. Faith or belief is that he defeated death. This is where many human beings will be at a crossroad.

For me personally, I was at that crossroad at 15 years old. But that’s me. I will never force my belief on anyone. Arguing, that my way is the right way, and yours is wrong, is irresponsible. We must respect one another.

It’s a human being’s own responsibility to maintain their health. If one believes that there are irresponsible human beings out in the community, it’s your own responsibility to protect yourself. Avoid all circumstances to the best of your own ability that may have a negative impact on ones health.

If the police say, “don’t go into that neighborhood, there is a high homicide rate”! Are you going to go in and negotiate with the murderers not to kill you? Any sensible person is going to avoid the danger. However, just because the police made the suggestion doesn’t mean you have to follow it. It’s ones own choice to make that decision.

I believe instead of arguing our beliefs back and fourth, we should be respecting each other’s beliefs. Together we should compile a solution that best fits our individual needs. Working together will always be a stronger force. Division will only make things worse.

Humans are NOT perfect. We have flaws. We should not beat up on one another! No one on this thread is perfect.

This is just my opinion.

crystalworks · #2 04-28-2020, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy

I am going to respectfully disagree with this statement...

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying the virus is only killing or infecting non-God fearing peoples?

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Originally Posted by Happy

It’s a human being’s own responsibility to maintain their health. If one believes that there are irresponsible human beings out in the community, it’s your own responsibility to protect yourself. Avoid all circumstances to the best of your own ability that may have a negative impact on ones health.

Agreed, I don't stand next to people who are smoking during normal times. And under current circumstances, I only go out when I have to, wear my mask, have my sanitizer in my pocket, and I definitely distance myself from anyone not wearing a mask.

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Originally Posted by Happy

Together we should compile a solution that best fits our individual needs.

I think that's a contradictory idea. I think we have to find a solution that would best fit the majority of citizens at the expense of some. There will be no best solution for everyone, and maybe that's why this thread is going the way it is. To quote Science Officer Spock, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Originally Posted by Happy

Humans are NOT perfect. We have flaws. No one on this thread is perfect.

Agree with that whole heartedly.

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

Do your part!

Agree. Wear yours masks, social distance, etc. These measures will be in place for at least the rest of 2020 (maybe 2021) so might as well get used to them. But even with these measures we are just slowing infection rates. We will likely all be infected, and worse likely all know someone who has died. Much like the different variations of cancer.

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Reputable economists are saying the economy will survive. The caveat is if the virus cannot be reduced to a manageable level. The majority think that even if we are quickly successful in doing so it will be years before economy gets back to the point it was. If we have a second spike due to poor opening plans or too many individuals decide the guidelines don't apply to them it could then be catastrophic but not to the point that recovery is not possible.

I agree it will be years before a recovery. 2008 crash took 5 years to get back to previous highs. I can't find any consensus by economists one way or the other for predictions to open. Most admit this is an unknown in terms of history. Most also agree it would require testing every worker. That's not going to happen in a country our size. And the models for a possible opening are changing very rapidly due to the ever changing data (and accuracy/inaccuracy of the data).

To get back to the Spock quote, the majority of Americans need to work. Whether companies are actively trying to downsize the workforce (they are as redliner said) in the future, they can't right now. So if allowed to operate, at least people can work.

The greatest danger in this all might be the sheer amount of debt being accumulated by the Fed. The number of the unemployed drawing more income now than they did when working is troubling. Americans aren't dumb and they have lost any sense of shame in taking handouts from the government. They will choose to be unemployed versus working for less money. States are losing tremendous income, as are cities. The states are asking for money from the Fed, as are the unemployed, as are the businesses (both big and small), the airlines, cruise industry, and the list goes on and on. Forget the virus, deflation might be the ultimate plague.

Happy · #3 04-28-2020, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying the virus is only killing or infecting non-God fearing peoples?

No, I believe the virus will or has infected mankind.

I have been ill for months now. I have had numerous symptoms that this virus produces. I’ve had good days, and some tough ones. I feel like my health is trending upward though. Healing for me from this virus has been a slow and long process.

I will be totally healed in JESUS name. For me his name is above or out ranks the virus name covid19. My day of passing is determined by God. Not some virus.

The shortness of breath and blood pressure issues though, have been trialing. When I am completely healed from this, I will have been reconditioned in a way that words cannot explain. I am already beginning to see life in a new way. I will work on not taking things for granted, but as Blessings or gifts. I’ll also need to address my arrogance. I have learned it’s a useless trait, and has no positive effect on my life.

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

I think that's a contradictory idea. I think we have to find a solution that would best fit the majority of citizens at the expense of some. There will be no best solution for everyone, and maybe that's why this thread is going the way it is. To quote Science Officer Spock, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

I think we should work together to compile multiple solutions to fit the multitude. Every human circumstance is going to be different. A one size fits all will fail every time. Humans are created completely different from one another, and so what one of us thinks is sufficient, another may find it appalling.

I’ll agree with you about there being no best solution. This is a very trialing time in which mankind was not prepared for during this current society.

My goal by posting today, was to hopefully change the direction of this thread. But, I am only one man. It will take us all uniting and respecting each other’s beliefs to come together.

I still believe bashing one another will have no positive impact on our forum families acquaintanceship.

crystalworks · #4 04-28-2020, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy

No, I believe the virus will or has infected mankind.

I have been ill for months now. I have had numerous symptoms that this virus produces. I’ve had good days, and some tough ones. I feel like my health is trending upward though. Healing for me from this virus has been a slow and long process.

I will be totally healed in JESUS name. For me his name is above or out ranks the virus name covid19. My day of passing is determined by God. Not some virus.

The shortness of breath and blood pressure issues though, have been trialing. When I am completely healed from this, I will have been reconditioned in a way that words cannot explain. I am already beginning to see life in a new way. I will work on not taking things for granted, but as Blessings or gifts. I’ll also need to address my arrogance. I have learned it’s a useless trait, and has no positive effect on my life.

Ah, gotcha. Then I wish you the best in your recovery.

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Originally Posted by Happy

I think we should work together to compile multiple solutions to fit the multitude. Every human circumstance is going to be different. A one size fits all will fail every time. Humans are created completely different from one another, and so what one of us thinks is sufficient, another may find it appalling.

I’ll agree with you about there being no best solution. This is a very trialing time in which mankind was not prepared for during this current society.

My goal by posting today, was to hopefully change the direction of this thread. But, I am only one man. It will take us all uniting and respecting each other’s beliefs to come together.

I still believe bashing one another will have no positive impact on our forum families acquaintanceship.

Well, some people are so far apart there's really no hope of finding common ground. Is what it is. As you said, we're just humans... imperfections and all.

There was a United States before this outbreak, there will be one afterwards. There was one before Trump, there will be one afterwards.

Happy · #5 04-28-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

Ah, gotcha. Then I wish you the best in your recovery.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

Well, some people are so far apart there's really no hope of finding common ground. Is what it is. As you said, we're just humans... imperfections and all.

For me giving up on hope is not an option. I’ll pray till my last breath, that peace be upon mankind. Also, from my belief. There was only one human to walk this earth as we. He was and is perfect.

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There was a United States before this outbreak, there will be one afterwards. There was one before Trump, there will be one afterwards.

That is true.

Outbreaks come and go.

Humans come and go.

Even ones that carried the direct dna of God himself. Some have been granted power to come and go even after death.

Been this way for thousands of years.

Just one man’s belief, who’s weight is equal to one grain of sand.

bcredliner · #6 04-28-2020, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy

No, I believe the virus will or has infected mankind.

I have been ill for months now. I have had numerous symptoms that this virus produces. I’ve had good days, and some tough ones. I feel like my health is trending upward though. Healing for me from this virus has been a slow and long process.

I will be totally healed in JESUS name. For me his name is above or out ranks the virus name covid19. My day of passing is determined by God. Not some virus.

The shortness of breath and blood pressure issues though, have been trialing. When I am completely healed from this, I will have been reconditioned in a way that words cannot explain. I am already beginning to see life in a new way. I will work on not taking things for granted, but as Blessings or gifts. I’ll also need to address my arrogance. I have learned it’s a useless trait, and has no positive effect on my life.

I think we should work together to compile multiple solutions to fit the multitude. Every human circumstance is going to be different. A one size fits all will fail every time. Humans are created completely different from one another, and so what one of us thinks is sufficient, another may find it appalling.

I’ll agree with you about there being no best solution. This is a very trialing time in which mankind was not prepared for during this current society.

My goal by posting today, was to hopefully change the direction of this thread. But, I am only one man. It will take us all uniting and respecting each other’s beliefs to come together.

I still believe bashing one another will have no positive impact on our forum families acquaintanceship.

All your little ol' me is jus here to calm things down and guide us to being a unit with respect for each other's beliefs and is completely transparent. It's easy to read between the lines. They're just snide remarks, cheap shots. I have always been aware that any response to your goal to degrade someone is a gift full of snide opportunities for you to do your thing. You're never going to get along with me unless you change your exchanges with me and don't resort to insults when I have been responding without doing so.

It doesn't matter how you cut it other than I have found an excuse that I will view as a reason to do what I want and I am OK with some unknown number of virus victims dying that could be millions.

That is just not the kind of country we were. When others take action contrary to the bill of rights it is a tiny stick of kindling to light a fire on the fabric of our country.

Happy · #7 04-28-2020, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

All your little ol' me is jus here to calm things down and guide us to being a unit with respect for each other's beliefs and big is completely transparent. It's easy to read between the lines. They're just snide remarks, cheap shots. I have always been aware that any response to your goal to degrade someone is a gift full of snide opportunities for you to do your thing. You're never going to get along with me unless you change your exchanges with me and don't resort to insults when I keep responding. This started based on the study saying it was better to open up the country, there will be more deaths if we don't.

It doesn't matter how you cut that other than I want a reason to do what I want and I am OK with some unknown number of virus victims dying. That is just not the kind of country we are or the human decency one should ever be will to accept. I’m not angry in the way you suggest.

BC you’re correct, I’ve had snide responses to you over the years. I’m pretty sure and correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe in 2020 I’ve treated you that way. The way I see it, there had been times that our correspondence on the forum probably appeared like two arrogant men with strong personalities.

However, let me be crystal clear. I am fighting this virus daily. For you to even take a notion that I am not aware of the loss of human life is grossly irresponsible on your behalf.

Communicating with you is not privilege. It’s a choice I make, or you. You have been snide with me in the past years, and I never gave you an ultimatum to continue correspondence with you.

Let me tell you something about little ol’ me. I was the first on the thread to give my condolences. There was nothing snide about that post in any way.

Humans are going to do what they want. Get over it. What you need to do is come up with a plan to protect yourself, your wife, and any immediate family you have close to you from this awful virus. Quit complaining about how people aren’t doing things right.

Also, I never suggested you were angry. As a matter of fact, none of my posts today were directed at any one person. But, as a way to encourage the members of this forum to unify.

bcredliner · #8 04-29-2020, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy

BC you’re correct, I’ve had snide responses to you over the years. I’m pretty sure and correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t believe in 2020 I’ve treated you that way. The way I see it, there had been times that our correspondence on the forum probably appeared like two arrogant men with strong personalities.

However, let me be crystal clear. I am fighting this virus daily. For you to even take a notion that I am not aware of the loss of human life is grossly irresponsible on your behalf.

Communicating with you is not privilege. It’s a choice I make, or you. You have been snide with me in the past years, and I never gave you an ultimatum to continue correspondence with you.

Let me tell you something about little ol’ me. I was the first on the thread to give my condolences. There was nothing snide about that post in any way.

Humans are going to do what they want. Get over it. What you need to do is come up with a plan to protect yourself, your wife, and any immediate family you have close to you from this awful virus. Quit complaining about how people aren’t doing things right.

Also, I never suggested you were angry. As a matter of fact, none of my posts today were directed at any one person. But, as a way to encourage the members of this forum to unify.

Try reading this as if it was a response to you.

Happy · #9 04-29-2020, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

Try reading this as if it was a response to you.

This is what you left me with to respond to.

And, it was easy to tell by all the mistakes in the post that when you attacked me, remember? It appeared you were upset. That post was uncharacteristic of you, and with your family member passing away, your sisters grief, and all that is going on these days I don’t blame you for being upset.

But to take it out on people that mean you no harm, come on, you are better than that. Hey if you need to come to the forum and vent do so. But, you laid into me for posts that were not directed at you personally. Those posts were meant to remind us that were all in this together.

zonefive · #10 04-28-2020, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

All your little ol' me is jus here to calm things down and guide us to being a unit with respect for each other's beliefs and big is completely transparent. It's easy to read between the lines. They're just snide remarks, cheap shots. I have always been aware that any response to your goal to degrade someone is a gift full of snide opportunities for you to do your thing. You're never going to get along with me unless you change your exchanges with me and don't resort to insults when I keep responding. This started based on the study saying it was better to open up the country, there will be more deaths if we don't.

It doesn't matter how you cut that other than I want a reason to do what I want and I am OK with some unknown number of virus victims dying. That is just not the kind of country we are or the human decency one should ever be will to accept. All your little ol' me is jus here to calm things down and guide us to being a unit with respect for each other's beliefs and big is completely transparent. It's easy to read between the lines. They're just snide remarks, cheap shots. I have always been aware that any response to your goal to degrade someone is a gift full of snide opportunities for you to do your thing. You're never going to get along with me unless you change your exchanges with me and don't resort to insults when I keep responding. This started based on the study saying it was better to open up the country, there will be more deaths if we don't.

It doesn't matter how you cut that other than I want a reason to do what I want and I am OK with some unknown number of virus victims dying. That is just not the kind of country we are or the human decency one should ever be will to accept. I'm not angry in the way you suggest.

Look, quarantine yourself until you feel safe. Don't be around anyone else, because mask or not, other people represent sources of infection.

In the meantime, other people need to live their lives including work, play, worship, and anything else. With or without a mask, it's their choice.

You don't want to be infected, stay home, away from people without masks if that is your choice.