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I am going to respectfully disagree with this statement...
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I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying the virus is only killing or infecting non-God fearing peoples?
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Originally Posted by Happy
It’s a human being’s own responsibility to maintain their health. If one believes that there are irresponsible human beings out in the community, it’s your own responsibility to protect yourself. Avoid all circumstances to the best of your own ability that may have a negative impact on ones health.
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Agreed, I don't stand next to people who are smoking during normal times. And under current circumstances, I only go out when I have to, wear my mask, have my sanitizer in my pocket, and I definitely distance myself from anyone not wearing a mask.
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Together we should compile a solution that best fits our individual needs.
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I think that's a contradictory idea. I think we have to find a solution that would best fit the majority of citizens at the expense of some. There will be no best solution for everyone, and maybe that's why this thread is going the way it is. To quote Science Officer Spock, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
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Humans are NOT perfect. We have flaws. No one on this thread is perfect.
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Agree with that whole heartedly.
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Do your part!
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Agree. Wear yours masks, social distance, etc. These measures will be in place for at least the rest of 2020 (maybe 2021) so might as well get used to them. But even with these measures we are just slowing infection rates. We will likely all be infected, and worse likely all know someone who has died. Much like the different variations of cancer.
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Reputable economists are saying the economy will survive. The caveat is if the virus cannot be reduced to a manageable level. The majority think that even if we are quickly successful in doing so it will be years before economy gets back to the point it was. If we have a second spike due to poor opening plans or too many individuals decide the guidelines don't apply to them it could then be catastrophic but not to the point that recovery is not possible.
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I agree it will be years before a recovery. 2008 crash took 5 years to get back to previous highs. I can't find any consensus by economists one way or the other for predictions to open. Most admit this is an unknown in terms of history. Most also agree it would require testing every worker. That's not going to happen in a country our size. And the models for a possible opening are changing very rapidly due to the ever changing data (and accuracy/inaccuracy of the data).
To get back to the Spock quote, the majority of Americans need to work. Whether companies are actively trying to downsize the workforce (they are as redliner said) in the future, they can't right now. So if allowed to operate, at least people can work.
The greatest danger in this all might be the sheer amount of debt being accumulated by the Fed. The number of the unemployed drawing more income now than they did when working is troubling. Americans aren't dumb and they have lost any sense of shame in taking handouts from the government. They will choose to be unemployed versus working for less money. States are losing tremendous income, as are cities. The states are asking for money from the Fed, as are the unemployed, as are the businesses (both big and small), the airlines, cruise industry, and the list goes on and on. Forget the virus, deflation might be the ultimate plague.
04-28-2020, 05:24 PM
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