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Viruses mutate to flourish. While there is a lot to learn about this latest mutation, it may well be another attempt by the virus to be more contagious, reduce the benefits of the vaccines, be more deadly or have more residual effects. The greater the number of cases the more likely we will return to past measures intended to control the virus. There is no proof the COVID virus originated in the Wuhan Lab. It's nothing more than hearsay and misdirection. There is nothing funny or factual in your post.
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Viruses mutate to flourish. While there is a lot to learn about this latest mutation, it may well be another attempt by the virus to be more contagious, reduce the benefits of the vaccines, be more deadly or have more residual effects. The greater the number of cases the more likely we will return to past measures intended to control the virus. There is no proof the COVID virus originated in the Wuhan Lab. It's nothing more than hearsay and misdirection. There is nothing funny or factual in your post.
Yes they do mutate to "flourish" and if you go back to your Jr High school biology class you would know that viruses mutate and become more transmissible and less dangerous to the host or else they die out quickly.

As for "proof" of origin, there is no proof it came from a wet market or natural cross species transfer, unless you have something specific showing it most likely wasn't tinkered with in a lab then I am more likely to be correct solely based on a brand new virus breaking out in the neighborhood of the local biological research laboratory that just happened to be studying a super close relative of this virus that wasn't endemic to that area and that was paid to do gain of function on that super close relative of coronavirus and was known to have slipshod safety practices.


The post IS humorous to people who don't have a stick up their ass and I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain satire to you.

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The post IS humorous to people who don't have a stick up their ass...
Can confirm humor content.

Anyone who completely disregards the Wuhan Coronavirus Lab theory is ignoring evidence. We'll never know exactly where it came from, but there is more evidence supporting the Lab accident theory than there is the zoonic wet market theory. And Fauci should be fired, gain of function or not.

On a side note. Drawing closer to when our munchkins will be getting their jabs. Have been keeping an ear out to any negative effects of the vaccine on children and have not heard anything as of yet, excepting typical shot side effects. Still have another month before their appts so hopefully it stays quiet.

I do wish vaccine trials on kids were more substantial, but it is what it is I suppose given the recent nature of CV19. Every parent(s) is making these decisions with limited information, best wishes to all, no matter which course of action they take. I do know we can't wait to get our kids back into a school and have at least a modicum of peace of mind.

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"For kids ages 5 through 11, the FDA reviewed a vaccine study of more than 4,600 children in this age range. Of this group, about 3,100 were given the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. The other children were given an inactive (placebo) shot. Children who were given the vaccine were monitored for side effects for at least 2 months after the second dose. Side effects were generally mild to moderate.

The FDA also took an early look at cases of COVID-19 that occurred one week after children were given a second dose of the vaccine. None of the children in this analysis had been previously diagnosed with COVID-19. Among 1,305 children given the vaccine, there were 3 cases of COVID-19. Among 663 children given the placebo, there were 16 cases of COVID-19. The results suggest that the vaccine is about 91% effective in preventing COVID-19 in this age group."
Cited: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20513332
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Yes they do mutate to "flourish" and if you go back to your Jr High school biology class you would know that viruses mutate and become more transmissible and less dangerous to the host or else they die out quickly.
Intended slam noted. The mutation of a virus can change many different ways. It is not true that a mutation will always be less dangerous.
As for "proof" of origin, there is no proof it came from a wet market or natural cross species transfer, unless you have something specific showing it most likely wasn't tinkered with in a lab then I am more likely to be correct solely based on a brand new virus breaking out in the neighborhood of the local biological research laboratory that just happened to be studying a super close relative of this virus that wasn't endemic to that area and that was paid to do gain of function on that super close relative of coronavirus and was known to have slipshod safety practices.
You didn't qualify your initial position. You made a declarative statement the virus came from the lab. That's what I responded to. More likely has nothing to do with it. We aren't playing the odds. There is no proof of where COVID came from as you have said so anything neither of us say has no verifying facts.


The post IS humorous to people who don't have a stick up their ass and I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain satire to you.
Posts like this paragraph are a reflection of ones true character and not in a good way. One use of satire is to ridicule what one sees as stupidity. What part of the definition of satire are you using that is constructive to this discussion?

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Anyone who completely disregards the Wuhan Coronavirus Lab theory is ignoring evidence. We'll never know exactly where it came from, but there is more evidence supporting the Lab accident theory than there is the zoonic wet market theory. And Fauci should be fired, gain of function or not.



On a side note. Drawing closer to when our munchkins will be getting their jabs. Have been keeping an ear out to any negative effects of the vaccine on children and have not heard anything as of yet, excepting typical shot side effects. Still have another month before their appts so hopefully it stays quiet.



I do wish vaccine trials on kids were more substantial, but it is what it is I suppose given the recent nature of CV19. Every parent(s) is making these decisions with limited information, best wishes to all, no matter which course of action they take. I do know we can't wait to get our kids back into a school and have at least a modicum of peace of mind.
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Wow!
In simplistic terms...

A virus will mutate in whatever fashion it can to become a satiated organism i.e. it's able to reproduce easily and maintain its lifecycle for the environment it resides in.

Becoming "more" deadly or damaging to the host is the opposite of that.

I'm probably your age or older and yes I remember Dragnet and I also remember basic biology and many other things I learned throughout my life.

You have a sense of humor rarely found outside of a parochial school next to a ruler factory so maybe it would benefit you to lighten and remember that "Tact" is for people not smart enough to use sarcasm.

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You didn't qualify your initial position. You made a declarative statement the virus came from the lab. That's what I responded to. More likely has nothing to do with it. We aren't playing the odds. There is no proof of where COVID came from as you have said so anything neither of us say has no verifying facts.

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Can confirm humor content.

Anyone who completely disregards the Wuhan Coronavirus Lab theory is ignoring evidence. We'll never know exactly where it came from, but there is more evidence supporting the Lab accident theory than there is the zoonic wet market theory. And Fauci should be fired, gain of function or not.

On a side note. Drawing closer to when our munchkins will be getting their jabs. Have been keeping an ear out to any negative effects of the vaccine on children and have not heard anything as of yet, excepting typical shot side effects. Still have another month before their appts so hopefully it stays quiet.

I do wish vaccine trials on kids were more substantial, but it is what it is I suppose given the recent nature of CV19. Every parent(s) is making these decisions with limited information, best wishes to all, no matter which course of action they take. I do know we can't wait to get our kids back into a school and have at least a modicum of peace of mind.



Cited: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20513332
Just to be clear. I don't know where the virus came from and am not saying it could not have come from the lab.

Why should Fauci be fired?
Why does more 'evidence' mean it is more likely the virus came from the lab? Has any of the 'evidence' been proven accurate?

I have not heard of any problems with vaccinating children. I keep up on COVID Let's hope it stays that way. The following might help: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ren-teens.html Click on the process link under is it safe.

Sorry for the questions, just would like to better understand where you are coming from.
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In simplistic terms...

A virus will mutate in whatever fashion it can to become a satiated organism i.e. it's able to reproduce easily and maintain its lifecycle for the environment it resides in. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-will-the-coronavirus-evolve/ https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-011488089270 A virus can become more deadly in at least 3 ways. Often by becoming more contagious, infecting more people and therefore increasing the number of deaths just based on the percent of infections that result in death, by becoming more deadly by having the ability to reduce the effectiveness of the virus thereby even infecting fully vaccinated individuals, And by mutations that are just plain more deadly.

Becoming "more" deadly or damaging to the host is the opposite of that.

I'm probably your age or older and yes I remember Dragnet and I also remember basic biology and many other things I learned throughout my life. Another unnecessary negative and demeaning comment

You have a sense of humor rarely found outside of a parochial school next to a ruler factory so maybe it would benefit you to lighten and remember that "Tact" is for people not smart enough to use sarcasm. Yet another inappropriate remark. The use of tact demonstrates empathy and sensitivity to others. Sarcasm shows the lack of. It makes it much harder to have a calm constructive discussion and inhibits gaining the trust of others.

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