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Not sure whats up.... first, my use was in the context of a one-liner joke. As you might imagine, there are a few options for word choice there, depending on what it is you are trying to achieve with the joke. So dunno Turns out we have a good stock of ivermectin in the barn. I was joking with my wife we could pop it on ebay, maybe get a nice dinner out of it. She wants to keep it just in case the horses get covid. Or something like that. |
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But changes are far from enough and my opinion is the remaining citizens against the vaccine are never going to embrace the vaccine. I too support mandates to protect those that refuse to be vaccinated from themselves and more importantly the majority of the country that have been vaccinated and follow the guidelines. It's not so much how they can impact the vaccinated but that the longer we take to reach a level of herd immunity the longer there will be self inflicted compromises to everyones' freedom. I don't have any hope that anything worthwhile is going to change without more bottom up penalties and top down mandates. At some point insurance carriers are going to make cost of coverage and insurability decisions based on being vaccinated or not. Or worse yet, spread the cost around to include those that protected themselves rather than invited COVID infection. While not all COVID related, I expect the supply train to continue to be a major issue that will restrict new job growth and contribute to inflation. I wonder what those that are anti vaccine think is the solution to the COVID interference on our freedom. What would they do to get COVID under control? How do we get back to normal?
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Thank you for your response. It is sad to think that in the four months since I posted my long-winded opinion on COVID-19 vaccinations, that we are still at a point where a significant number of people still refuse, for all sorts of reasons, not to get vaccinated. At least now children of parents who know better, can finally get a lower dosage vaccination to add them to the immunized. Granted, we now also realize that being vaccinated does not necessarily mean that one will not catch the COVID-19 virus, since we have seen many break-through cases of those who have been vaccinated. But the science seems to be holding true that the vast majority of those breakthrough cases are not that severe and that those infected are for the most part not having to be hospitalized. We know that getting the COVID-19 vaccine is not going to mean that one is 100% immune to getting the virus… no vaccine is completely effective. But if it turns out that going forward, that we may need to get some sort of COVID-19 booster vaccination on an annual basis, along with an influenza vaccination, then so be it. I also find it amazing that those who are still not vaccinated do not look at the statistics in every state where over 90-95% of those people who are hospitalized with the COVID-19 virus were NOT vaccinated. That really should tell you all you need to know about getting vaccinated. Yet unfortunately, there is a hard-core segment of the U.S. population who are stubbornly and adamantly against getting vaccinated and will not get any vaccine, regardless of whether or not employers, professional sporting events, musical concerts or restaurants, museums or other cultural institutions require proof of vaccination in order to gain admittance. They are gambling that they will survive this virus pandemic without suffering too badly. It is a low odds chance they are taking in that choice, IMHO. Why take such an unnecessary chance with one’s health and life? FYI, I now have mixed feelings about mandates for getting the COVID-19 vaccine. I think that the private sector, meaning any private companies, firms, cultural institutions, hospitals, Doctor’s offices, educational institutions, retail and hospitality establishments, and entertainment venues are all perfectly within their legal rights to impose mandates that their employees and patrons, guests and visitors all show proof of COVID-19 vaccination in order to be employed or gain entry and admittance. I recently attended a professional NFL football game where every fan of the 60,000 who entered the stadium, was required to show their CDC issues COVID-19 vaccination card as proof of vaccination. That gave me a level of comfort that I needed to attend, as well as the fact that it was an outdoor venue. I am now concerned that with more States imposing vaccination mandates, as well as the Federal government that it could be a political disaster in the making, giving the Republicans one more issue to trumpet in the coming elections in 2022 and 2024. I am sympathetic to some of the arguments that the Federal government is overstepping its authority, even if they have valid, good intentions. While I do think that the U.S. armed services should be able to require all of their troops to be vaccinated, I am not so sure about local law enforcement offices and firefighters. It is a complicated, slippery-slope that has no elegant solution, since taking a hard line could very well lead to some unwanted consequences. Time will tell…. So, at this point, while we may possibly see a 5th surge of the number of people testing positive for the virus as we enter the winter months of 2021/2022, I do think that even with continued virus mutations, that our country will slowly evolve to the majority of our population either being fully vaccinated, (two shots, plus a booster shot), or those who have caught the COVID-19 virus and whose bodies have generated some natural antibodies against the virus. Yet even with that case, we will continue to have serious infections and deaths that probably could have been prevented with people choosing to become vaccinated. Another real concern that I have, which will only be learned in the coming months/years, is exactly what the detrimental effects are on one’s body and mind due to “Long COVID”, the lingering, long-term and/or after effects of having caught the COVID-19 virus. AVB-AMG
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We chose a different decision to those who remain unvaccinated (though we are waiting a few months for our children's vaccines as they do not attend public school or day care and my son won't be eligible til January so waiting for them both) for myself and my family. All have access to the data/information available now and can make their own conclusions. It's their risk after all, not mine, given the efficacy of the vaccines. I wish them the best and hope there are no ill consequences. Same as I hope there are no long term consequences to getting the vaccine. I doubt there will be, but... time will tell. Combine the vaccine efficacy with wearing masks indoors and not attending large indoor gatherings and I feel my family and I are fairly safe. The fear of the pandemic has faded into an exhaustion as I hear the two different sides attacking each other and devolving into the typical "us vs. them" tribe mentality. But, that's the world we live in.
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Requirements for entry into venues, large and small businesses are a better solution than mandates but I don't believe that will do enough soon enough.
I'm still for federal mandates that are based on a level of infection in a given area, a trigger point. If all states and local governments followed the recommended guidelines it wouldn't be necessary but they clearly don't. Keep the state rate of infection below a threshold or mandates kick in. If a state can control the level of infection without mandates that's great. If they can't or won't more extensive measures are appropriate anyway. Trigger point is when the rate of infection exceeds 1 person infecting more than 2 two others. IMO, mandates with trigger points should be a bill voted on by congress and see which way it goes. A national health crisis should not involve politics but it seems clear that if politics were removed from the table we would have be in far better place than we are now. For the most part, the COVID us verses them, the tribal behavior, is political party based. I am not in the camp of each to their own, whatever will be will be. While this nation has been arguing and postering and spitting out overwhelming misinformation and lies without any consequences, attacking political competitors based on their COVID position, etc, we have lost 3/4 of a million citizens. Put one coffin in each X5 and they would stretch almost coast to coast. Will a million take the politics out of it? 1.5? 3? Will there be enough X5s to put coffins in? The freedom of those that have been vaccinated is restricted not only because of the non vaccinated but because our political tribes have taken the issue outside of any concept of how a successful democracy works. IMO waiting for the natural order of things, time or only the strong survive to decide what prevails is out of the question. I hear loud and clear the anti-vaccine 'rationale' about why they aren't vaccinated. What I would like to hear from them is what we should do to get COVID under control. The easy part is to disagree with vaccination. The hard part is to have an alternative solution that has merit. Since they are so adamant about not being vaccinated, what is their solution to get COVID under control? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...irus-vaccines/
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And to the italicized/underlined, this happened before Trump and coronavirus were a thing. Welcome to post-Citizens United American politics. I believe individual responsibility is a dead concept in America. Which makes me sad. I don't want regulation to save every life or prevent every accident. I won't even go on a lake anymore because the park police suck all the fun and risk (and funds from my wallet) out of the activity. Will never own a boat or personal water craft (even though I really enjoy those things) because the bureaucracy involved to enjoy such things is out of control. Take the Astroworld tragedy. Is it a tragedy? Of course. Are each of those concert goers as culpable as the promoters? Yeah, this wasn't a Celine Dion concert. They undertook a risky activity. The father whose poor 9yo just died should be charged with child endangerment. But I'm ranting now... excuse the rum-charged tangent.
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The CDC and all of the pharma companies have stated that the vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting the virus and it does NOT prevent you from transmitting it.
So what about the instance where one has had the virus, had mild or no symptoms and is a generally healthy individual? That person now has immunity (perhaps not as strong as the vaccine provides but that's still being evaluated). The vaccine which is likely 99.999999% safe has not undergone the necessary medical trials (decades worth) to state with absolute certainty that it will not have negative long term side effects. I am not even going to discuss the legal implications of the different legal orders being passed now because that's a slippery slope into a political debate and generally I feel that anyone that gets into politics usually ends up as slime of the earth even if they didn't start out as such. So now we are at a point where the vaccine may help one survive the effects of the virus. That's it. This is where we are medically speaking, vaccinated people are still dying though at a lower rate. So why should one be forced by any government body to vaccinate if the only person it really affects is the person being vaccinated? In the words of Ice Cube "If you're scared, go to church."
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No, it didn't start with Trump. I will say that he spent his entire presidency, and still is, focused on expanding the division and tribal behavior in the country and has been alarmingly successful. That is not politically based. It is my opinion based on how much general and political behavior has changed in the last 5-6 years verses the last 50. Certainly he has some good company from both parties but he has a big stage and huge following to influence. Non-compliance with the obvious is more often than not the reason for annoying rules and regulations that feel like bureaucracy. The COVID health crisis is one such example. I am looking at boats. I used to have one and one of my best memories was putting the pedal to the metal and heading out into Lake Michigan until I couldn't see shore, turning off the motor and just sitting there rocking in the waves.
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I stopped going out on the lake when life jackets became a requisite and fees/fines were being handed out like hot cakes. Someday I hope to have a property with a lake on it... though by the time we'd get it I'd probably be too old to use a jet ski. Yep. So nice to just be in the middle of a lake or out on the ocean rocking with the surface rhythm. Plus the sound of the water lapping on the hull is like a lullaby.
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