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Old 07-30-2006, 04:19 PM
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Or he could always post a topic discussing the Armenian Genocide and its comparison to Israel....since that is where he took the thread....but then didn't formulate an opinion other then that he thinks I'm an idiot.

And he has obviously not read much of what I've posted before as I've stated that I'm very much against US backing and funding the existance of Israel.
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...There is very little 'one sided' about any political or global situation discussions on this forum. Seems as though your posts to this topic have no real commentary aside from telling others not to speak. As you said you have no side in the discussion, so why comment to others about them being one sided?
The above is a partial quote, so please read it all before forming an opinion. It also wasn't directed at me, but since it is an open topic...

I don't have any particular insight to all of this, never having lived in the Middle East, never having been to Armenia, and not having any idea on how to resolve the various Middle Eastern conflicts.

But I do have a couple of thoughts to add, for what it is worth.

I think that many of these posts are rather one-sided. The word 'rant' in the subject line is probably a good indication of that, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but please don't pretend that what follows is balanced.

I have a hard time accepting the moral superiority of either party in the current conflict. I think that there are at least three sides, not two. There is Hezbollah, and whatever their charter means today, many years later. There is Israel, confident in its own righteousness, and therefore just as much of a problem as Hezbollah. Sorry if that offends anyone. And then there is a third position, possibly unattainable, but representing some sort of middle ground, and likely the only path to peace in the region. That goal is more important that the goals of each combatant. And IMO, until the various parties accept that, it is all going to carry on.

My link for the day is an analysis of the UN Peacekeeping role. CBC may not be perfect, but it sometimes offers another viewpoint from the US-based western media.

See what you think of the analysis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/mi...crisis/un.html

And shed a tear for the families of the peacekeepers who felt compelled to stay and do their job. Unarmed.
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:22 PM
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I dont expect any of you to understand what i am trying to say! And it's anti-semetic not semitic.
Are you Jewish? Are you anti-islamist?

I have read many historical accounts and i come from the region so what's your point? What do you know that i dont? Nothing!
Using your logic drex does'nt this land belong to the aboriginals so by default the americas belong to them?

I am armenian by the way and my people have faced the same attrocities as the jews and we lost the majority of our land in the genocide (at the hands of muslim turks) which has not been aknowledged by the international community for almost a hundred years because of international pressures.We we're the first people to adopt christianity. Who has helped us? And what makes the jews so special?

And what's the bullshit that the arabs wont clean-up? What does that mean?
The mess the united states helped spread all over the middle east?
And beleive me the U.S. will capitalize on this investment in the future so dont be an idiot and call me ignorant.

You all have a very one sided view and opinion on the issue.

I dont support either side of the war and i dont support people voicing opinions that have no foundation other than what they've heard and seen on tv or read on the internet.

It's just like the katrina incident on this website you all think you have the right to speak about innocent people losing their lives and justifying it in a disgusting and disgraceful manner.

I may be ignorant on many of the issues but at least i can see both sides of them.

So for me you are ignorant.
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In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical name "Shem") was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Assyrian, Akkadian, Hebrew, Maltese, Syriac, Tigrinya, etc.
As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution. The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" came to be used in reference specifically to anti-Jewish sentiment, further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term. Such usage, as well the advent of population genetics, against which other once-useful ethnic terms show a biasing imprecision, has led to much debate about its scope and usefulness in science.
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Origin

The term Semite was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to the Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45. In his "Gesch. der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term. (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XIII)
The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek form of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite. The negative form of the adjective, anti-Semitic, is almost always used as a misnomer to mean "anti-Jewish" specifically.
The concept of a "Semitic" peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. Enemies were often said to be descendants of his cursed brother Ham. In Genesis 10:21-31 Shem is described as the father of Aram, Asshur, and others: the Biblical ancestors of the Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Sabaeans, and Hebrews, etc., all of whose languages are closely related; the language family containing them was therefore named Semitic by linguists. However, the Canaanites and Amorites also spoke a language belonging to this family, and are therefore also termed Semitic in linguistics despite being described in Genesis as sons of Ham (See Sons of Noah). Shem is also described in Genesis as the father of the Elamites and the descendants of Lud, whose languages were not Semitic.
The Proto-Semitic peoples, ancestors of the Semites in the Middle East before the break-up of the hypothesized original proto-Semitic language into various modern Semitic languages, are thought to have been originally from the Arabian Peninsula. Other theories place proto-Semitic in the Ethiopian Highlands and Eritrea.
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Language

The modern linguistic meaning of "Semitic" is therefore derived from (though not identical to) Biblical usage. In a linguistic context the Semitic languages are a subgroup of the larger Afro-Asiatic language family (according to Joseph Greenberg's widely accepted classification) and include, among others, Akkadian, the ancient language of Babylon, Amharic, the official language of Ethiopia,Tigrinya,a language in Eritrea, Arabic, the largest contemporary Semitic language, Aramaic, the mother-tongue of Jesus, Canaanite, Ge'ez, the ancient language of the Ethiopian Orthodox scriptures, Hebrew, Phoenician or Punic, and South Arabian, the ancient language of Sheba/Saba, which today includes Mehri, spoken by only tiny minorities on the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula.
Wildly successful as second languages far beyond their numbers of contemporary first-language speakers, a few Semitic languages today are the base of the sacred literature of some of the world's great religions, including Islam (Arabic), Judaism (Hebrew and Aramaic), and Orthodox Christianity (Aramaic and Ge'ez). Millions learn these as a second language (or an archaic version of their modern tongues): many Muslims learn to read and recite Classical Arabic, the language of the Qur'an, and Jews all over the world outside of Israel with other first languages speak and study Hebrew, the language of the Torah, Midrash, and other Jewish scriptures.
It should be noted that Berber, Egyptian (including Coptic), Hausa, Somali, and many other related languages within the wider area of Northern Africa and the Middle East do not belong to the Semitic group, but to the larger Afro-Asiatic language family of which the Semitic languages are also a subgroup. Other ancient and modern Middle Eastern languages — Armenian, Kurdish, Persian, Turkish, ancient Sumerian, and Nubian — do not belong to the larger Afro-Asiatic language family and are unrelated to it (or, to be more precise, possibly far more remotely related). (Note, the first three of these languages are Indo-European.)
For a complete list of Semitic and Afro-Asiatic languages, see the Ethnologue's list.
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Geography

Semitic peoples and their languages in modern and ancient historic times have covered a broad area bridging Africa, Western Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. The earliest historic (written) evidences of them are found in the Fertile Crescent, an area encompassing the Babylonian and Assyrian civilizations along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, extending northwest into southern Asia Minor (modern Turkey) and the Levant along the eastern Mediterranean. (Today this same region is populated by Arabic speakers except for Israel, where modern Hebrew was reintroduced in the 20th century as the national language.) Early traces of Semitic speakers are found, too, in South Arabian inscriptions in Yemen and later, in Roman times, in Nabataean inscriptions from Petra (modern Jordan) south into Arabia. (Here, too, Arabic has largely won out over the original Semitic tongues.) Semitic languages and peoples are also found in the Horn of Africa, especially Eritrea and Ethiopia, the last great holdout of South Semitic languages. Later expansions of Semitic languages also spread into North Africa at two widely separated periods. The first expansion occurred with the ancient Phoenicians, the name given by the Greeks to the Canaanites, along the southern Mediterranean Sea all the way to the Atlantic Ocean (colonies which included ancient Rome's nemesis Carthage). The second, a millennium later, occurred with the expansion of the Muslim armies and Arabic in the 7th-8th centuries AD, which, at their height, controlled the Hispanic Peninsula and Sicily. Arab Muslim expansion is also responsible for modern Arabic's presence from Mauretania, on the Atlantic coast of West Africa, to the Red Sea in the northeastern corner of Africa, and its reach south along the Nile River through traditionally non-Semitic territory, as far as the northern half of Sudan, where, as the national language, non-Arab Sudanese even farther south must learn it. Semitic languages today are also spoken in Malta (where an Italian-influenced dialect of North African Arabic is spoken) and on the island of Socotra in the Indian Ocean between Yemen and Somalia, where a dying vestige of South Arabian is spoken in the form of Soqotri.
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Religion

In a religious context, the term Semitic can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions," though the term Abrahamic religions is more commonly used today. A truly comprehensive account of "Semitic" religions would include the polytheistic religions (such as the religions of Adad, Hadad) that flourished in the Middle East before the Abrahamic religions.
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Ethnicity and race


A stylised T and O map, depicting Asia as the home of the descendents of Shem (Sem). Africa is ascribed to Ham and Europe to Japheth


In Medieval Europe, all Asian peoples were thought of as descendents of Shem. By the nineteenth century, the term Semitic was confined to the ethnic groups who have historically spoken Semitic languages. These peoples were often considered to be a distinct race. However, some anti-Semitic racial theorists of the time argued that the Semitic peoples arose from the blurring of distinctions between previously separate races. This supposed process was referred to as Semiticization by the race-theorist Arthur de Gobineau. The notion that Semitic identity was a product of racial "confusion" was later taken up by the Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg.
Modern science, in contrast, identifies an ethnic group's common physical descent through genetic research, and analysis of the Semitic peoples suggests that they share a significant common ancestry. Though no significant common mitochondrial results have been yielded, Y-chromosomal links between Near-Eastern peoples like the Palestinians, Syrians and ethnic Jews have proved fruitful, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron). Although population genetics is still a young science, it seems to indicate that a significant proportion of these peoples' ancestry comes from a common Near Eastern population to which (despite the differences with the Biblical genealogy) the term Semitic has been applied.


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an·ti-Sem·ite (nt-smt, nt-)
n. One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

anti-Se·mitic (-s-mtk) adj.




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Old 07-30-2006, 04:26 PM
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Drex, you copy-paster.

JCL, good post. BBC as well as CNN both covered that story. Hard to believe that precision munitions accidently hit a UN outpost....3 times. And shame on Hezbollah for putting rocket launchers less the 1000 meters from a UN outpost.

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Have you bothered reading anything that you copy-pasted? I have lived it! You guys have no real opinions of your own! So call me what you like my opinion of you two is already formed. I have no qualms with israel as a state. It is jerusalem and the way the western world uses it to create war that bothers me! And for your information there are over 150 000 armenians in israel living in peace! My only problem is the way you guys talk about the war and pretend to be above it all!

I have returned to armenia and given money to and worked in several foundations in the country. I may be a simpleton to you but i live the reality of it all and you copy and paste your facts like it's something you know about!

So please drex go fokyurselv.

Oh and wagner i hope i did'nt get you in the eye!
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So please drex go fokyurselv.
If I paid for and operated a web forum, and someone told me this, they would be banned from the site I owned so quickly their disappearance would create a whooshing noise!
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Sorry 03Topazbluex5, but that just crossed the line and earned you a ban from the site. I will not tolerate attacks on another board member. You can attack the idea, but not the member.
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...and justice for all.
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HA HA.... I'll see you on the BANNED side of the moon...

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The British asked how the Jews were to get the Americans involved they answered leave it up to us in return we want you to give us a state of Israel.
The Americans entered the war, The Germans lost, Hitler retaliated on the Jews, Israel was Born and here we are today. I couldn't believe what I read but it was all backed up with material.
Unless I am misreading your quote (which I must be because it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.
The reasons the US entered the war was because of PEARL HARBOR.. We were attacked by Japan. Are you implying that the Jews fostered the attack on Pearl Harbor? --

Israel was not "born" and the jews did not "move in".. There have always been Jews in the land now called "Israel" for thousands of years. It was not a country before, it was a territory controlled by the Brits. The territory now known as Israel was sub divided into two "states" - The two states, Israel and Palestine. The Palestinins refused to accept a Jewish state and was thus not recognized by the UN. Essentially, they gave up the right to the land that would have been given to them.
The neighboring Arab states then attacked the country "recently named Israel" because they also did not want a Jewish state.
Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip in wars, were they defended themselves and it was territory that did not technically belong to the Palestinins as they refused the UN Accord that separated the region into two different areas.

Yes, it is true that Israel has crossed the line a few times and done some things in "DEFENSE" of it's borders and it's people. Some strikes have been preemptive, some have been retalitory. The attitude of the Holocaust Survivors and the Jewish response to the death of six million is simple... NEVER AGAIN... NEVER AGAIN will we not fight for our right to live, our right to a homeland, our right to not let our neighbors PUSH US into the sea. --

If you feel so bad for the Lebanese and Palestanians, do something.. Give them YOUR land. But if you or your brother or sister or mom or dad come near our land and try to push into the sea, we will retaliate with equal or greater force. If you don't like it, clean up your own terrorists..

We would love to live in harmony.. Just stop attacking us.

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