Are You Kidding Me? - Page 3

inlacal · #21 09-17-2006, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

First point: they are alleged terrorists. Until they are put on trial and convicted, they are not guilty. Last I checked, not a single detainee being held at one of our overseas prisons (including Camp X-Ray) has been convicted of any crime. Most of them have been held for over 4 years.

More than half of the detainees who were being held at Camp X-Ray have been released over the past 2 years with all charges against them being dropped, an obvious admission that they were being held by mistake. So do not assume they are terrorists. Many of them (or perhaps most of them) are innocent.

Second point: it is spelled Democrats

Democrates was the greek philosopher who first wrote about democracy.

Yes, it is certainly the Democrats that want a huge government

Take a look at the income tax rate over the years for the highest tax bracket:

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Looks to me like the highest rates since WWII were during the Eisenhower Administration (a Republican) when the wealthiest Americans paid 91% in taxes. It also looks like the highest Capital Gains tax rates since WWII were during the Nixon & Ford Administrations (both Republicans) when the Capital Gains tax rate was 36.5%-39.9%.

It looks like the President who lowered the highest income tax rate the most since WWII was LBJ (a Democrat) who lowered the by rate 21%. And it looks like the President who lowered the Capital Gains tax rate the most since WWII was Carter who lowered the rate by 11% (from 39% to 28%).

It would seem that it's the Republicans who like big government, large deficits and high taxes, not the Democrats.

First, before you start using historical references to party-lines (LBJ/Eisenhower, et al) one can make the case that modern day Republicans were the Democrats of old.

I hardly doubt, that in this day and age, Harry Truman would be labeled a Democrat.

Your historical references on top of your politically devisive flow-chart, while entertaining, do nothing to support your cause. You try to infer that there is a directly proportional link between increasing the national debt and 'big government'. While I'm sure you can make a case or give examples, they absolutely do not go hand in hand.

And seriously...Don't even try to state that a democrat in office automatically equal's lower taxes...Especially a modern day (Kerry/H. Clinton, et al). This would be laughable if it weren't so offensive to ones intelligence. Modern day Democrats (read: NOT Harry Truman; NOT JFK) are the biggest bunch of tax and spend socialists in the history of the free world. It seems to me that everytime the left is criticizing a sitting Republican president, that the economy is doing pretty damned good (Reagan, Bush Jr as examples).

The fringe left continue to be our enemies best friend and human speed bumps as it pertains to our nations war on terror around the world. I'm guaranteeing you that, upon the next democratic administration, we will hardly be doing as well as we are now. Historically, the national debt says nothing about the future health of our country, yet all of you left wing fringe-types lean upon it as 'the resource' or 'the measuring stick' in which to grade a sitting republican administration. Consumer confidence is up; inflation is in check, American's, as a whole, are earning more and are taxed less, unemployment is at least a point or two lower than it was during Clinton's administration and we are fighting a global war on terror...And lest we not forget what your clever flow-chart would look like if we weren't spending billions a month on said-war.

Then what would you have to resort to?

The usual suspects for the left: Rhetoric, diviveness, tax & spend, socialism (under the auspicies of 'democracy of course'), pacificity, expansion of a welfare country and on and on.

Try relying less on hyperbole and bullsh*t as your assets when it comes to governing. And while you are at it, the whole "Bush-lied-people-died" is fu*king tired. I mean, who comes up with these catchy, rhetorical one-liners? Johnny Cochran? You are the party of Michael Moore, Martin Sheen, Cindy Sheehan, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, John Kerry & Hilary Clinton, and the list of degenerate ingrates goes on and on and on.

CUE clips of JFK & Harry Truman rolling over in their graves...

A fine group of intellectuals the modern-day left is.

The lot of you held Reagan in contempt while he was in office. I'd ask you to concede how wrong you all were then, but for the most-part, your party is too arrogant and self-righteous to admit when it is wrong. Criticize Bush all you want, but there hasn't been a president since FDR and Truman, who has been as unswerving and unrelenting in principle as Bush is.

While I don't necessarily agree with every action Bush has taken, he has my unequivocal support as a constituent, a citizen and as an American. I know how history will grade Bush and you left-wing socialist types are entirely predictable: Criticize now, spin later when asked for commentary.

Nice.

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Eric5273 · #22 09-17-2006, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by inlacal

And lest we not forget what your clever flow-chart would look like if we weren't spending billions a month on said-war.

Your chicken and egg are backwards. The war is being fought so that the money can be spent. The attacks justify the wars, which justify the high spending. High spending = huge profits. One is done to justify the other. War is big business, and those controling the purse strings are the war profiteers themselves. There is a reason that two-thirds of the Defense Policy Board are made up of current and former board members of major military contractors. If you think that is just a coincidence, then are you are extremely naive.

inlacal · #23 09-17-2006, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Your chicken and egg are backwards. The war is being fought so that the money can be spent. The attacks justify the wars, which justify the high spending. High spending = huge profits. One is done to justify the other. War is big business, and those controling the purse strings are the war profiteers themselves. There is a reason that two-thirds of the Defense Policy Board are made up of current and former board members of major military contractors. If you think that is just a coincidence, then are you are extremely naive.

The war is being fought so that the money can be spent?

Ohhhhhhhhhh, nooooooooooooo!

Are you related to Charlie Sheen or Cindy Sheehan? Both believe the U.S. government orchestrated 9/11 and installed the necessary explosives to demolish the World Trade Center. I mean, for a democrat, this premise isn't too far off of the beaten path, but still...You do drive an X5, don't you?

Are you going to tell me the U.S. started a war to help increase defense contractors bottom lines?

Forgive me, but I cannot interpret your statement as anything other than you are implying the U.S. government deliberately attacked itself so as to justify a war expenditure.

If this is your stance, then it correlates perfectly with the fact that you are a Democrat.

Eric5273 · #24 09-17-2006, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by inlacal

Forgive me, but I cannot interpret your statement as anything other than you are implying the U.S. government deliberately attacked itself so as to justify a war expenditure.

1. Yes, that is what I am implying and what I believe.

2. I am not a Democrat, nor have I ever voted for a Democrat for any national office

Juanted · #25 09-17-2006, 09:34 AM

let's keep it civil, gentlemen...

rebound · #26 09-17-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by inlacal

The war is being fought so that the money can be spent?

Ohhhhhhhhhh, nooooooooooooo!

Are you related to Charlie Sheen or Cindy Sheehan? Both believe the U.S. government orchestrated 9/11 and installed the necessary explosives to demolish the World Trade Center. I mean, for a democrat, this premise isn't too far off of the beaten path, but still...You do drive an X5, don't you?

Are you going to tell me the U.S. started a war to help increase defense contractors bottom lines?

Forgive me, but I cannot interpret your statement as anything other than you are implying the U.S. government deliberately attacked itself so as to justify a war expenditure.

If this is your stance, then it correlates perfectly with the fact that you are a Democrat.

You are, of course, familiar with Eric's anti-establishment love of conspiracy theories?

asawadude · #27 09-17-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rebound

You are, of course, familiar with Eric's anti-establishment love of conspiracy theories?

Not to mention his "free trade" theory? We haven't seen that one in awhile...

rebound · #28 09-17-2006, 10:05 PM

Oh God. I'd forgotten that one!

You're right - oldie/goodie!

ylwjacket · #29 09-17-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lambeau

For someone to only bitch about this country and it's policies without serving for it gives their opinions a lack of validation in my book.

Lam - OK, you got me here. Generally, I don't disagree with you too much, but this is called politics, and freedom to do it is what the country is all about.

Hell, GW can barely claim military service.

Given the size of the country and the size of the military, there are plenty of us around that have not served in the military, and every single one of us has the right to question our government. In fact, it's actually our duty as the framers intended. They didn't fashion the Constitution to create a country of lemmings.

It's just that some of us are idiots, and some of us aren't. It's up to us all to sort 'em out.

Everything in BB's life is colored by his hatred of the President. I may not agree, but it's his right to do so. In fact, I might even pretty much ignore everything he writes (at least related to politics), because every new contribution further pushes him over the cliff of irrelevance. Everything in Eric's world, evidently, is colored by conspiracy theories. Again, not my deal, but his right to do so.

It's called one man, one vote. It ain't perfect, but it's doable.

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

blondboinsd · #30 09-18-2006, 04:34 AM

Your very correct I do dislike our president but unlike so many other people I make my opinion known, I have much respect for people who both like AND dislike our president because I respect people who have a backbone and are not afraid to express themselves, My feelings on this is not that we should not consider at all changing our views BUT I want us to discuss it with our allies, I hate how we act like we're the only important people in this world, it drives me nuts, thats my biggest issue, perhaps they plan too but from what I've read we want to do it all on our own, this stance is why we are so hated

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