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Old 09-15-2006, 08:42 PM
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Are You Kidding Me?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...1142-bush.html

Does this annoy anyone else? Hes saying (from the news this evening, I think this is the correct article) that we should create our own definition of what was stated at the geneva convention as to fair interrogation? How long till our enemys re-view their views as well? I mean is he f*in insane or just THAT stupid? God it makes me ashamed to have him as my leader
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Very typical for someone stupid.

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Does this annoy anyone else?
Glad you claimed ownership. Give him a ring and get this strightened out please.

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Does this annoy anyone else?
Doesn't bother me at all.
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Your nuts, then your going to complain when our enemys who abide by the the laws of the Geneva convention stop following it and i'll I will have to say is, oh well its our fault as usual
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Your nuts, then your going to complain when our enemys who abide by the the laws of the Geneva convention stop following it and i'll I will have to say is, oh well its our fault as usual
They don't abide by those laws but that's besides the point. The point is our enemy's have changed and so must the rules.
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Your nuts, then your going to complain when our enemys who abide by the the laws of the Geneva convention stop following it and i'll I will have to say is, oh well its our fault as usual
You seem to have a very poor grasp of the proposed legislation.

But in any event, please tell me about all of our various enemies who have adhered to the Geneva convention.

The Japanese during WWII? Afraid not. They imprisoned our people in hell-hole concentration camps and tortured them.

The North Koreans during the Korean War? The Vietnamese during the Vietnam War? Ask John McCain (who, by the way, can't lift his arms above his head due to the years of beatings he took).

The proposed legislation is an attempt to add specificity to a somewhat vague document. It is not intended to allow carte-blanche torture. If you think the legislation is faulty and needs to be amended, then please propose modifications. But don't whine like an ignorant little school boy about something you haven't even studied.
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Everyone else abides by it, why are we so special?
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so I assume them lopping the heads off POWs is abiding by Geneva convention?? niiice.. BTW.. it's called a war.. that's when we shoot and kill..

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The POINT is we're already hated and for good reason, if we REALLY think it needs to be changed we should work with the other countries not just do it alone, that is why we are so disliked in the first place, also we ALSO imprisoned japanese people in internment camps or we're you playing hookie that day your class went over that?
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The POINT is we're already hated and for good reason, if we REALLY think it needs to be changed we should work with the other countries not just do it alone, that is why we are so disliked in the first place, also we ALSO imprisoned japanese people in internment camps or we're you playing hookie that day your class went over that?
The imprisonment of Japanese-Americans, while wrong, is a spurious analogy. Those were not foreign enemy combatants. Those were American citizens. Tax-payers. Law-abiding citizens. That was a terrible policy decision. But, as you pointed out, they were IMPRISONED, not tortured.

The U.S. is "hated" by the Muslim world largely for these reasons:

1. Our consistent support of the state of Israel since its founding in 1948.

2. Our support of secular, fairly ruthless dictators in the Middle East (e.g., the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein) during the period beginning after WW II through the 1980s. These 2 guys, plus other less important figures, brutalized their populations and kept a lid on fundamental Islamic ideology and behavior in their countries.

3. Operation Desert Storm, which was viewed as an "invasion" of a sovereign Arab/Muslim nation. And even worse, the fact that we stationed large numbers of American troops in the "holiest" Islamic country (Saudi Arabia) during and after the Gulf War.

4. A view that the West (and America, in particular) breeds and EXPORTS fundamentally immoral, decadent cultural practices such as alcohol use, promiscuous sex, homosexuality, dancing, women being treated as "men", etc. On that last point, it is viewed as repugnant that a woman can wear "skimpy" clothing (i.e., not cover herself head-to-toe with clothing), pursue an education, eat dinner in the same restaurant as men, and hold political office.

Blondboi, if you attempted to pursue your way of life in the Muslim world, you would be tortured and beheaded in a New York minute.



Point #3 above, in particular, is what led to the birth and rise of Al-Quaida.

The alleged "torture" of enemy combatants by the United States began WELL AFTER we were already "hated".

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