Are You Kidding Me?

BMW X5 · #1 09-18-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

So which part of what I posted do you not believe?

Are you saying that you do not believe that an Israeli attack on the beach in Gaza on June 9th killed 10 civilians?

Are you saying that you do not believe that after that attack Hamas announced they were abandoning the cease-fire and resuming attacks on Israel?

Are you saying that you do not believe that there was a cease-fire for 16 months prior to that where there was not a single attack by either side?

Are you saying that you do not believe that both Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity said that the June 25th kidnapping was what broke the cease-fire without ever mentioning the June 9th attack?

Or are you just attacking the sources in general but acknowledging that the information is indeed true?

Please clarify

You tactic of attacking the messenger instead of the message is growing tiresome.

great and your bottomless pit of extremist information is growing tiresome as well. I am saying that a cease fire lasted for 16 months thats fine, however an attack on the beach whether an accident or intentional will be made intentional by them only to give them a reason, the kidnapping was uncalled for. Hamas needs no more reason that just to say hey they attacted us, a rock could have been thrown and the treaty would have gone to shit

Eric5273 · #2 09-18-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW X5

...an attack on the beach whether an accident or intentional....

Care to explain how Israeli air strikes on Gaza were an accident??

Perhaps they really meant to send flowers but someone got the message confused and dropped bombs instead??

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Hamas needs no more reason that just to say hey they attacted us, a rock could have been thrown and the treaty would have gone to shit

I think both sides suffer from this mental illness. Remember we are talking about a country that started a war which resulted in over 1000 deaths and the destruction of an entire country over the kidnapping of 2 people.

But the facts still are that Israel did not throw a rock, but instead bombed Gaza and killed 10 civlians including women and children. However you want to look at it, they are the ones that broke the treaty.

I'm pretty sure if Israel had bombed Egypt and killed 10 Egyptian civilians that their treaty with Egypt would also fall apart.

BMW X5 · #3 09-18-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Care to explain how Israeli air strikes on Gaza were an accident??

Perhaps they really meant to send flowers but someone got the message confused and dropped bombs instead??

I think both sides suffer from this mental illness. Remember we are talking about a country that started a war which resulted in over 1000 deaths and the destruction of an entire country over the kidnapping of 2 people.

But the facts still are that Israel did not throw a rock, but instead bombed Gaza and killed 10 civlians including women and children. However you want to look at it, they are the ones that broke the treaty.

I'm pretty sure if Israel had bombed Egypt and killed 10 Egyptian civilians that their treaty with Egypt would also fall apart.

it is very interesting how there is no real credible source that confirms those attacks. find me a credible source and then we can have a meaningful conversation

Eric5273 · #4 09-18-2006, 05:31 PM

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find me a credible source and then we can have a meaningful conversation

Sorry to say that there was a media blackout on this in the US. None of the cable news stations reported the incident nor did any of the major American newspapers.

But the media from the rest of the world did indeed report the incident. Since you seem to be of the opinion that Britain is our greatest ally, here are some of the major british newspapers:

Guardian: Death on the beach: seven Palestineans killed as Israeli shells hit family picnic

The Independent: Palestineans killed on Gaza beach by Israeli gunboats

The Times: Babies die as artillery barrage hits families on picnic beach

And how about an Israeli news source:

Ynet: PM's daughter protests Gaza killings

Dana Olmert takes part in left-wing demonstration outside army chief's house; protesters call Halutz 'murderer,' declare 'intifada shall prevail.' Meanwhile, human rights groups send letter to PM, defense minister, calling on them to stop war crimes in territories.

Even the Prime Ministers own daughter thinks Israel was wrong.

Acknowledging that Israel is headed down the wrong road and has lousy leadership does not mean you are anti-Israeli. I am very much pro-Israeli. I think they were headed down the right road when Rabin was Prime Minister, but since then they have had very poor leadership.

BMW X5 · #5 09-18-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Sorry to say that there was a media blackout on this in the US. None of the cable news stations reported the incident nor did any of the major American newspapers.

But the media from the rest of the world did indeed report the incident. Since you seem to be of the opinion that Britain is our greatest ally, here are some of the major british news sources:

Guardian: Death on the beach: seven Palestineans killed as Israeli shells hit family picnic

The Independent: Palestineans killed on Gaza beach by Israeli gunboats

The Times: Babies die as artillery barrage hits families on picnic beach

And how about an Israeli news source:

Ynet: PM's daughter protests Gaza killings

Dana Olmert takes part in left-wing demonstration outside army chief's house; protesters call Halutz 'murderer,' declare 'intifada shall prevail.' Meanwhile, human rights groups send letter to PM, defense minister, calling on them to stop war crimes in territories.

Even the Prime Ministers own daughter thinks Israel was wrong.

Acknowledging that Israel is headed down the wrong road and has lousy leadership does not mean you are anti-Israeli. I am very much pro-Israeli. I think they were headed down the right road when Rabin was Prime Minister, but since then they have had very poor leadership.

how about the fact that these assholes put launchpads in civilian areas or hide amongst civilians? this wasnt an attact on the people, the fact that they were hurt is indeed an accident however the strategic location of the launchpads was no accident.

Eric5273 · #6 09-18-2006, 05:43 PM

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how about the fact that these assholes put launchpads in civilian areas or hide amongst civilians? this wasnt an attact on the people, the fact that they were hurt is indeed an accident however the strategic location of the launchpads was no accident.

It doesn't matter what they put where. "Cease Fire" means you do not attack. If Israel had attacked these launch pads and had not killed any civilians, that would still be a violation of the cease fire.

There had not been a single attack on Israel in 16 months. They had no excuse to attack Gaza in any capacity.

SANguru · #7 09-18-2006, 05:45 PM

and that's why they call it war. Somehow, all of you are not able to grasp that concept.

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

It doesn't matter what they put where. "Cease Fire" means you do not attack. If Israel had attacked these launch pads and had not killed any civilians, that would still be a violation of the cease fire.

There had not been a single attack on Israel in 16 months. They had no excuse to attack Gaza in any capacity.

BMW X5 · #8 09-18-2006, 05:47 PM

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It doesn't matter what they put where. "Cease Fire" means you do not attack. If Israel had attacked these launch pads and had not killed any civilians, that would still be a violation of the cease fire.

There had not been a single attack on Israel in 16 months. They had no excuse to attack Gaza in any capacity.

right so lets have them build up the means to attact and on the 17th month let them at it. Great tactic, love it. You do realize that 16 months is all nice and dandy but there were other cease fires in the past and those went down the shitter and it was is and always will be a matter of time. Egypt and Jordan are countries not organizations that have no central point. You can come after that country if they cease to obey, with hamas and palestinians they are like roaches, they crawl out from under every rock and from around every corner

Deuce · #9 09-18-2006, 05:54 PM

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There had not been a single attack on Israel in 16 months. They had no excuse to attack Gaza in any capacity.

January 2005 Cease fire reached.

July 2005 Palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up at Israeli shopping mall. Kills 5 wonding 30.

Aug 2005 Palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up at Beersheba's central bus station, wounding at least 20.

Oct 2005 Palestinian suicide bobmer blows himself up at Hader market. 6 dead 30 wounded.

Dec 2005 Palestinian suicide bomber blows himself up, kills 5 wounds 35.

You're right there have been NO attacks on Israel.

The source of this information is found in the link you supplied the the Guardian Unlimited.