Hold on to your wallets - Page 4

MrLabGuy · #31 10-12-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

How about this Eric...We scale WAY back on our military spending aside from our nuclear weaponry. If we are threatened from an outside aggressor we turn to our only option left. We wipe them off the map with a nuclear strike.

Cold you might say; however, you just castrated our military in your earlier post and we are left with no other alternative.

Nice scenario

Oops...I forgot one other option Liberals rely on in a time of war...

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Surrender.

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Best Man · #32 10-12-2007, 09:15 PM

You guys all seem to forget that "Our good friends across the pond" are actually fighting the Iraq war with us. Thats right, they have a significant number of troops there aswell.

MrLabGuy · #33 10-12-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Best Man

You guys all seem to forget that "Our good friends across the pond" are actually fighting the Iraq war with us. Thats right, they have a significant number of troops there aswell.

Depends on what you consider a significant number. I'm pretty sure the number is 5000 which will soon be 2500. I'm grateful for even one; however, as a percentage of fighters I don't consider that a "significant number".

With that said, it is a significant gesture of support.

Eric5273 · #34 10-12-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

And lets see, what has the military spending bought us....how many assaults on US mainland soil...oh..1, 9/11/2001 and then there was one in Hawaii back in 1941 by Japan (but that wasn't the mainland)....I'd say the money was spent pretty well. And how many real threats are there, oh..none.

How many assults have there been on Australia in the past 50 years? Or how many on Japan? Or how many on Brazil? Or how many on China?

The lack of assults has nothing to do with having a strong military.

This conversation reminds me of a rediculous friend (I use the word "friend" loosely here) I used to have back when I was in school. Somehow I went through my entire high school and college without ever getting into a fist fight. Nobody ever "jumped" me, or beat me down, or attacked me -- not even once. Yet my "friend" always used to end up in fights -- almost on a monthly basis. He would claim that someone was always out to get him. Either they jumped him, or hit him when he wasn't looking, or some other reason. Yet he was no wimp -- in fact, he was one of those big strong guys who you would want to be on your side if you had a bar fight. And usually he would beat the crap out of the other guy(s). Eventually he started carrying a weapon around with him just in case -- usually something like a small pocket knife. Unfortunately for him, that didn't help. It just caused him to get into a couple knife fights and land him in prison once. Yet me, without being a big strong guy, without carrying any weapons -- somehow I never had any problems and never got into a fight.

I can make a great analogy here and compare the United States to my buddy and myself to the other countries I mentioned here above.

Being strong and capable of beating someone's ass does not stop you from being attacked. Being a good world citizen is what stops you from being attacked. If you shit on others, they will get their revenge somehow -- or at least they will try.

Eric5273 · #35 10-12-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

How about this Eric...We scale WAY back on our military spending aside from our nuclear weaponry. If we are threatened from an outside aggressor we turn to our only option left. We wipe them off the map with a nuclear strike.

Threatened? You mean like Saddam Hussein threatening with his WMDs?

Fine idea you have there!!

rebound · #36 10-15-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Do you fail to see that they are spending simply to spend? Lots of money is made by the military contractors -- military is the largest business in the United States with the exception of oil. And then they need to justify the high spending, so the politicians look for reasons to go to war, and even lie about the reasons in order to make an excuse to go to war.

Our military is 10 times stronger than it needs to be. If we were to cut military spending by 90%, we could still destroy the whole world and take on any enemy in the world.

I get the impression that you guys would not mind if they took 90% of your income in taxes, as long as they were spending it all on military. Well, keep that additude and we will surely be heading in that direction.

As for me, I have a major problem with most of my tax money going to the military. The military is certainly not more important than health care or education or infrastructure. How many people die per year from war and terrorism, and how many die from cancer and heart disease? Answer: more Americans died in the last 12 hous from those things than have died in the past 5 years from war & terrorism. Then look at how much money is spent on military and how much is spent on health care.

Perhaps there are things we need to be protected from besides terrorism.

You mean like R&D?

Who needs progress.

Trends in Global Military & Civilian R&D and their Changing Interface

Wagner · #37 10-15-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

How many assults have there been on Australia in the past 50 years? Or how many on Japan? Or how many on Brazil? Or how many on China?

The lack of assults has nothing to do with having a strong military.

This conversation reminds me of a rediculous friend (I use the word "friend" loosely here) I used to have back when I was in school. Somehow I went through my entire high school and college without ever getting into a fist fight. Nobody ever "jumped" me, or beat me down, or attacked me -- not even once. Yet my "friend" always used to end up in fights -- almost on a monthly basis. He would claim that someone was always out to get him. Either they jumped him, or hit him when he wasn't looking, or some other reason. Yet he was no wimp -- in fact, he was one of those big strong guys who you would want to be on your side if you had a bar fight. And usually he would beat the crap out of the other guy(s). Eventually he started carrying a weapon around with him just in case -- usually something like a small pocket knife. Unfortunately for him, that didn't help. It just caused him to get into a couple knife fights and land him in prison once. Yet me, without being a big strong guy, without carrying any weapons -- somehow I never had any problems and never got into a fight.

I can make a great analogy here and compare the United States to my buddy and myself to the other countries I mentioned here above.

Being strong and capable of beating someone's ass does not stop you from being attacked. Being a good world citizen is what stops you from being attacked. If you shit on others, they will get their revenge somehow -- or at least they will try.

Ahh, we wave our stick and put are collective neck out far more the China Japan & Australia combined. (not that this is a good thing).

Military is essential to existence of a civilization with a formal government.

Eric5273 · #38 10-15-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Military is essential to existence of a civilization with a formal government.

I never said it wasn't. Just because I said we shouldn't spend half of our money on it, does not mean I think we should not spend anything.

Wagner · #39 10-15-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

I never said it wasn't. Just because I said we shouldn't spend half of our money on it, does not mean I think we should not spend anything.

Of course you should, it is the only element that is required, everything else is optional.

rebound · #40 10-15-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Of course you should, it is the only element that is required, everything else is optional.

Dodge, dive, dip, duck, and ... dodge.

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