See, that's just wishful thinking and misinformation.. The exact wishful thinking and misinformation that you accused me of before you realized I was researched and knowledable.

The "PIT BULL" in question was CONFIRMED to be a "PIT BULL"..
It was not a mutt. It was not mis-identified. It was a FAMILY PET, PIT BULL, who attacked the kid, the baby sitter and the neighbor and only stopped attacking once it was shot.

Don't spin it....

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Holy crap. That's pretty impressive.

Yeah, it is quite impressive...

I wonder though how many of the dogs ancestors were used for Blood Sports?
Don't see anyone bragging:

Her Great, Great, Great, grandfather killed 15 other highly ranked Pit fighting dogs..."

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probably he did, but he also played a role in the farm life of early american families. just for fun, here are some stats from the American Temperament Test Society.

Breed Name
PORTUGUESE WATER DOG
Tested
147
Passed
113
Failed
34
Percent
76.9%

Breed Name
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
Tested
586
Passed
494
Failed
92
Percent
84.3%

www.atts.org/

not to be personal I'm just messin with ya, but apparently more APBT owners have had their dogs tested than PWD's

B-line:
That forum does appear to be visited largely by dog fighters although not promoted as such. There may be people who race their BMW's in the x5 Forum even thugh it is frowned upon. There are forums where racing is a larger topic of conversation than here.

Your statements are generalisations and discriminatory. (bigoted and stereotypical) BSL is as wrong as segregation. Yes, I said that. The ramifications are on no way equal as human rights but the principle holds tight.

I never said you are unread and uninformed. Quite the opposite, you seem to have quite a good grasp of the community as a whole. If more people had your level of knowledge, things would be looking brighter. Your POV might be off kilter but... whatcha gonna do. There is large difference between my knowledge of breed standards/faults and your willingness to write off an ENTIRE breed.
I have let out a little emotion here. Listening to people express a similar POV as you is frustrating. Our main dog park's largest single participating breed is the "pit bull". I walk amongst them daily, no leashes in sight, and upwards of 100+ dogs at peak time/season. The only aggresion I have seen is NON APBT. When my dog has been attacked, he clearly defended himself but as soon and the aggressor was discouraged, he walked away.
The most famous dog at the park is Panama Pete, a resuced Pit. He is called the Sheriff. Pete is a splitter. (Knuckles is as well, of all things) Splitters step between two aggressive dogs and break up the fight. There are days when one of the two has stepped between 3-4 fights before anyone got hurt. Last Thurs, a Boston Terrier (Pedro)was going after a Shepard (of all things) and the BT's buddy was thusly running over to the Shepard as well. Knuckles Grabbed the BT by his head and set him down 2 feet away with out harm, then shouldered into the shepard to prevent retaliation. But according to you and others, what I and others see daily doesn't exist and is impossible. Your statements saying that they should not be in multi dog environments or off leash are just so ignorant of the facts and absurd.
I feel greatly for the victims of attack. Any attack is fightening and brutal. You are ignoring that there have been many people killed by shepards, mastiffs, rottweillers, Labradors etc...

WE need to acknowledge that all dog breeds can be dangerous. WE need to participate in public education and educate people to the realities. I may be fortunate and live in a forward thinking community, especially in regards to "pits", in which owner responsibility is stressed and poor behavior from Owner and dog is not tolerated. If we can teach one person a day or week, slowly everyone will be better off. I feel it is our obligation to help people with their animals when possible. Our Dog Park community will police itself. Those that behave poorly are noted. In one form or another, they are lead in a direction and hopefully their behaviors improve or they are not tolerated, and eventually asked to leave.
Look, I am no professional trainer, but I think my knowldge is sound and greater than most. I am taking the Grand Knuckler next month for his first attempt for his Canine Good Citizenship only 14 months after adopting him. Note: the shelter considered him a wild dog, a completely untrained 2 year old pit/cross who had not been castrated. If he passes, we are gonna go for Therapy dog as well. Hmmmm that would put two T Dogs with APBT lineage in the x5 forum. What are the odds.

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How did an English Bulldog thread turn into a Bull Terrior/Pit Bull thread?

Regardless of breed, I believe the majority of dog attacks are because of poor training, irresponsible ownership, lack of pack leader mentality, humanizing the animal.

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I am sure Ron White would appreciate it... I bet his bulldog has influenced the names of many bulldog puppies.

I love you man.....

BTW I hijacked the thread, sorry. I know, it got kinda weird.

In all fairness, if you look at my post #11, you will see that DriverX5's question on finding a Bulldog was given an extensive answer.

So while this thread may have turned into something else, at the very least, the original question was thoroughly answered.

(I'll be responding to the last set of Pit Bull questions when I get to the office.)

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