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realchef · #81 09-14-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

My puppy JUST GOT BIT by a Pit Bull.

Yes, believe it or not... I just went to lunch with a friend at an outdoor cafe in downtown Los Angeles.

When I got there, the couple sitting across from me had two dogs, A two year old Lab mix and a 14 month old, female, Pit Bull.

Believe it or not, in person, I try very hard to hold no prejudice towards individual dogs. I asked both owners if I could "treat" their dogs with chicken nibbles that I carry in my pocket and they both excitedly said "Yes".

Then the owners with their two dogs moved tables because they wanted to smoke.

Again, I gave both dogs the benefit of the doubt.

As the couple exited the restaurant, with absolutely no provocation, with my dog lying down, belly on the floor and head up, the PIT BULL attacked Maggie.

Luckily:
a) the owner had her pit on a pronged chock collar

b) The pit only got ahold of a little muzzle and some hair.
-- Otherwise this report would be coming to you from the vets office.
(Did I happen to mention I was eating and had a knife in my hand. Had that attack gone on one second longer, I would have stabbed the Pit Bull.)

Yes, I swear to god, this is what just happened, 15 minutes ago.

At the very least, the owner of the Pit Bull has the graciousness to emphatically apologize on her way out.

-- By the way, I know you're a relatively new member and probably don't know I'm Jewish. But your use of "Mein Kampf" to try to label me as some sort of Nazi is so offensive, I don't even know where to begin.
(p.s. - No, I would never waste my time reading Mein Kampf when there are books like The Diary of Anne Frank or Dawn and Night by Elie Weisel that could occupy my bookshelf.)

Sounds like you're getting pretty desperate and are reaching for thin air. And using anti-semitic material to validate your points.

My arguments are based on facts, your arguments are based on emotions.

My dog was just bit by a Pit Bull. Your dog is wearing weapons.

My statements contradict everything you have said:
- There are animal behaviorists (at Cornell Medical School) who 100% agree with me.
- 78% of all serious injuries, killings, etc. come from Bull breeds, esp. Pit Bulls.
- The information I have presented has been well researched, delivered, is not mass hysteria coming from some paranoid person, as you would like to have people believe.

READ THE FACTS.....

So, maybe you spend a little less time reading Nazi propoganda and a little more time educating yourself on:
A) How your use of holocaust and Nazi and Hitler propaganda is intrepereted by Jewish readers.
B) What the statistics of Pit Bull attacks really are.

A. Sorry your dog was attacked, mine has been too. It sucks.
B. My reference holds but I will qualify for you. It was neot meant Anti-Sematic. The core theme of the Holocaust (I am German, my Holocaust history is quite thorough) is the unjust blanketed suppression and genocide of a group(s). You are indeed proposing a similar philosphical answer to a complicated problem. (granted, on a much different level) I brought this up to address the fundamental argument here that we have not discussed.
I know the facts, but I see a vastly different and long term viable solution. This is the core argument. APBT are half the attacks it is well publicized. Outlawing them and others will not offer a long term solution.
Education is the key. Bringing out the dirty laundry that has built with these animals can bring about positive change and improve our communities as a whole.
BTW: fear is ok. Your fears are just that, items that cause you great concern. It is human nature to be afraid of rational and irrational things. Unortunately all our fears are not the same. When shared they often do not reach the same depth. I do not share the same fears with you regarding this subject. There are millions of others as well who do not. They answer is to identify the core issue and deduce a fair, equal and viable solution.
I am fortunate and have an animal who exhibits positive traits and behaviors. He proves it every day. Should he suffer because of those that don't. The question is that simple. The answer is not.
I will Pm you with my personal info. this has gotten WAY out of control and these nice people need not be subjected to any more of our pettiness.

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lilbit · #82 09-14-2008, 07:40 PM

I have tried! But I'll be damned if EVERYTIME he is left alone, HE EATS IT!!! Think I might have to start tasing him or something

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Originally Posted by realchef

Thanks.

you got a leash on that penguin?

vinuneuro · #83 09-14-2008, 08:32 PM

No joke, I think you guys should keep going. No reason to stop when it's a civil debate with facts. Good thread from a reader's pov.

Realchef, please use spaces between thoughts/paragraphs.

realchef · #84 09-14-2008, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vinuneuro

No joke, I think you guys should keep going. No reason to stop when it's a civil debate with facts. Good thread from a reader's pov.

Realchef, please use spaces between thoughts/paragraphs.

V,
Typing is not my strong suit.

I'm lucky to put my own shoes on.

Now a verbal debate, I like my odds on that.

Grammar, spelling and FORMAT

.........whew, that's alot.

B-Line · #85 09-15-2008, 02:46 AM

Q: How come pit bull owners always say, "My dog is a sweetheart?"
To understand the experience of owning a negatively perceived dog, Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy did a study on pit bull owners. Researchers found that owners of pit bulls directly feel the stigma targeted at their breed and resort to various tactics to lessen it.
One of the strategies included emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior. For instance, to offset the popular idea that pit bulls are fierce and predatory, respondents in the study voiced just the opposite: "My dog is the biggest sweetheart in the world."
A related strategy involved emphasizing that behavior, not appearance, expressed their dog's true nature. Such behaviors often involved an overwhelming amount of affection toward people. This strategy is illustrated in the much-repeated phrase: "My dog wouldn't hurt a fly, but she might lick you to death."

Q: Do pit bulls bite more than other dogs?
Depending upon the community in which you live and the ratio of pit bulls within it, yes and no. But whether a pit bull bites more or less than another breed is not the point. The issue is the grave damage a pit bull inflicts when it does bite. The "lock and shake" characteristic of the bite causes severe bone and muscle injury.
When sizing up bite statistics, it is important to understand, What constitutes a bite? A singe bite, recorded and used in bite statistics, is a bite that "breaks the skin." One bite by a poodle that leaves two puncture wounds is recorded the same way as a pit bull attack, which can constitute hundreds of puncture wounds and massive soft tissue loss.8

Q: Why does my friend say, "Pit bulls are animal-aggressive not people-aggressive?"
Due to selective breeding practice, pit bulls are highly animal aggressive. They frequently kill other pets and livestock. Pit bull experts warn owners, "Never trust your pit bull not to fight." They also state that under no circumstances should you leave a pit bull and another animal alone together.11
Animal aggression is unacceptable -- too many of our pets suffer injury and death as a result. The behavior also leads to human aggression. A common scenario is the following: A pit bull attacks a leashed dog being walked by its owner. The owner gets seriously injured trying to stop the attack.
News stories flourish about pit bulls breaking free of their property and attacking children and the elderly. These victims did not have pets with them, nor were they provoking the dog before the attack. The categorical denial by the pit bull community that the breed is not people-aggressive only serves to create new victims.

PersonaNonGrata · #86 09-15-2008, 03:33 AM

My contribution. I took this at a dog show several months ago. They are very cute!

GUINNESS · #87 09-15-2008, 09:54 AM

What's not to love....

And just so he's not left out... our weirdo mini schnauzer in desparate need of a hair cut, Guinness...

Wagner · #88 09-15-2008, 09:58 AM

what's not to love? the gas.

GUINNESS · #89 09-15-2008, 10:00 AM

Believe it or not, Jameson's gas isn't bad at all. It's when he decides to be your shadow that you want to kill him... cause it's like he's trying to kill you.

AzX5 · #90 09-15-2008, 10:23 AM

This thread needs a little lipstick.

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