Bulldogs - Page 3

Boston X5 4.4 · #21 09-11-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

Well as long as people on the forum are trying to encourage you to get a bull terrier, I'd like to be the person who gives the opposing view.

It's not about being just a responsible owner, it's about being an extremely experienced and knowledgable handler. No casual pet owner should have one of these dogs. Only specialists with years and years of dog experience, handling, obedience, etc. should even consider one of these dogs.

And a Bull Terrier should NEVER be off leash or in multi dog enviornments.

Bull Terriers are the results of a cross between the Bull Dog and Terrier variety designed for one purpose, being better fighters. Of course we all know these dogs were developed to hunt and kill "Bulls and Bears" and were then later used to fight one another in blood sports that happened in "Pits"..

So regardless of how cute and cuddly they look or how good they are with people, these are dogs that were designed for one specific purpose, to be the best killer possible.

And while people have made them pets because of there often good nature around people:
a) they can and do sometimes snap
b) they are an extreme danger around other dogs.

So lets go further and discuss the fact that you might not be able to get homeowners insurance, that your god might kill another dog in the park, or maul your childs face. Do you really want to bring a bull terrier or a PIT fighting dog into your home and neighborhood? Or further support a breed that was only designed for it's ability to kill?

Why not get a dog from a shelter ...and do some good at the same time as getting a pet.

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ZsX5o3 · #22 09-11-2008, 04:08 PM

personally I wasn't suggesting he get a pit. But a bull or terrior breed. I would like to say though that there are hundreds of strains of APBT's and other bull breeds bred for a variety of purposes. To get a purebred dog bred specifically for fighting (purely, with long lineage) you would have to know some people. Perhaps I should explain the letter before my dog.

CH(UKC Show Champion) UWPCH(United Weight Pull Champion) TT (Temperament Tested) OFA-Good(Orthopedic Foundation for Animals health tested - Good).

Saying that they will "snap" or that they are inherently bad with other dogs can be said for any dog that isn't trained properly.

realchef · #23 09-11-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

Well as long as people on the forum are trying to encourage you to get a bull terrier, I'd like to be the person who gives the opposing view.

It's not about being just a responsible owner, it's about being an extremely experienced and knowledgable handler. No casual pet owner should have one of these dogs. Only specialists with years and years of dog experience, handling, obedience, etc. should even consider one of these dogs.

And a Bull Terrier should NEVER be off leash or in multi dog enviornments.

Bull Terriers are the results of a cross between the Bull Dog and Terrier variety designed for one purpose, being better fighters. Of course we all know these dogs were developed to hunt and kill "Bulls and Bears" and were then later used to fight one another in blood sports that happened in "Pits"..

So regardless of how cute and cuddly they look or how good they are with people, these are dogs that were designed for one specific purpose, to be the best killer possible.

And while people have made them pets because of there often good nature around people:
a) they can and do sometimes snap
b) they are an extreme danger around other dogs.

So lets go further and discuss the fact that you might not be able to get homeowners insurance, that your god might kill another dog in the park, or maul your childs face. Do you really want to bring a bull terrier or a PIT fighting dog into your home and neighborhood? Or further support a breed that was only designed for it's ability to kill?

Oh jeeeshhhh...

Nobody is trying to get him to do anything, it seems people have shown some options due to some potential inherent medical situations of the Eng. BD. The comments seem to steer him to look at options OR take careful steps in his search for the desired breed.
Some of your statements are true, but what you are neglecting to mention is the well documented fact that the owner overrides breed. My dog (Boxer/Pit bull) is becoming of the most well respected dogs in Santa Fe. He regularly attends the fiestas on the Plaza, the Farmer's market and daily at the 65 acre off leash dog park. Not once has he snapped or been aggressive.
There have been three dogs killed at the park by fellow dogs and the offending dogs were a Labrador, G Shepard and Lab Cross. There is not one instance of a Pit/Terrier breed attacking. My dog has been attacked by poorly socialised male dogs. When they met a similar sized male, their only response was aggresion while he was exhibiting proper greeting behavior and signaling to play. Not one was Pit/terrier. (Lab, Boerboel etc..)
For a case in point, from the 45 dogs taken from Michael Vick, 1 was put down from medical reasons, 41 were rehabilitated/adopted successfully. One is in training for a service dog and only two were considered unresponsive to training and put down.
Please, stop propagating stereotypes and teach the value of respectful training and raising.

blondboinsd · #24 09-11-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B-Line

Well as long as people on the forum are trying to encourage you to get a bull terrier, I'd like to be the person who gives the opposing view.

It's not about being just a responsible owner, it's about being an extremely experienced and knowledgable handler. No casual pet owner should have one of these dogs. Only specialists with years and years of dog experience, handling, obedience, etc. should even consider one of these dogs.

And a Bull Terrier should NEVER be off leash or in multi dog enviornments.

Bull Terriers are the results of a cross between the Bull Dog and Terrier variety designed for one purpose, being better fighters. Of course we all know these dogs were developed to hunt and kill "Bulls and Bears" and were then later used to fight one another in blood sports that happened in "Pits"..

So regardless of how cute and cuddly they look or how good they are with people, these are dogs that were designed for one specific purpose, to be the best killer possible.

And while people have made them pets because of there often good nature around people:
a) they can and do sometimes snap
b) they are an extreme danger around other dogs.

So lets go further and discuss the fact that you might not be able to get homeowners insurance, that your god might kill another dog in the park, or maul your childs face. Do you really want to bring a bull terrier or a PIT fighting dog into your home and neighborhood? Or further support a breed that was only designed for it's ability to kill?

There comes a point when you must stand back and ask yourself "are ALL these people really wrong?" When an insurance company charges you more for it? Studies have shown they have more aggression? What was their original breed created for? Ask yourself that. Why are they banned from many dog parks?

Just because you have been lucky that your dog has not attacked to me is like living in Tornado alley and saying "My house will NEVER be hit by a tornado" Just because it has not, does not make it correct and doesn't make the facts false.

Just my 2 cents...

SilverBullet · #25 09-11-2008, 05:30 PM

Just to be clear. I am looking for an Old English Bulldog, that will one day look like this.

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SilverBullet · #26 09-11-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lilbit

We have a 2 year old English Bulldog, and he is the love of my "dog" life...!

Yes he is a little smelly, and may fart, but is so precious.

As others above have posted, just make sure when you are looking at breeders, you dig in deep, and make sure they are reputable. Ask to see the mom/dad, and don't be afraid to ask about their previous litters and any health problems.

We had a small issue with our bullie in the beginning, with his skin, but turns out he was alergic to the grass in Tulsa, OK! lol, once he moved in with me full time, it was all good.

Have you spent any time around a bulldog before?

I have spent time with a bulldog before. I know that they get sick easily and have many problems. I have been researching for a while, looking at different breeders and dogs. I was just wondering if anyone on the forum could recommend a breeder.

realchef · #27 09-11-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by driverX5

Just to be clear. I am looking for an Old English Bulldog, that will one day look like this.

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Good Luck to you. With just a little careful research you should have a great dog and be happy.

GUINNESS · #28 09-11-2008, 05:51 PM

Driver, just PM me or LilBit and we'll fill you in best we can about Bullies. We own 1 together (who is 2), and I've owned one in the past. Before I got my first, a lot of research was done. I'm not going to say anything else in the thread, but feel free to talk to people who OWN and not people who "heard".

realchef · #29 09-11-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blondboinsd

There comes a point when you must stand back and ask yourself "are ALL these people really wrong?" When an insurance company charges you more for it? Studies have shown they have more aggression? What was their original breed created for? Ask yourself that. Why are they banned from many dog parks?

Just because you have been lucky that your dog has not attacked to me is like living in Tornado alley and saying "My house will NEVER be hit by a tornado" Just because it has not, does not make it correct and doesn't make the facts false.

Just my 2 cents...

I am hijacking this thread, sorry, but I cannot believe there are still people around like those two closed minded indiviuals.

The knowledgable professionals admit the Nurture outweighs nature. ANY dog is capable of aggression and attacking. NEARLY ALL working dogs have been bred for Hunting/Killing and protection or even better as war dogs.
There have been a few unfortunate instances in public places that have been blown out of scale along with the fact that the dog fighters chose the breed and popularised it for that purpose. When improperly trained and handled all dogs are respond accordingly. I have a scar on my ankle from being bit, yes, by a Chihuahua. I did not call for the breed to be earmarked, I called for the owner to be responsible.
I have not been lucky. I did the research, accepted repsonibility and worked EVERY DAY with that dog. He was an abused resuce and the behaviorist at the shelter considered him a wild dog. After showing him respect and proper training, he is a shining example of an animals' potential.
Open your eyes and your minds to the reality... Simply because some reactionary extremists have promoted some isolated instances out of proportion and does not correlate to a factual representation of the situation.
Discrimination is wrong, even for dogs. Blonboinsd, I think, has felt the hurtful sting. Have you not learned a lesson about stereotypes and closed minded individuals. Is not judging a book by it's cover wrong, or does that apply only to humans??

tweak · #30 09-11-2008, 06:09 PM

What you gonna name him? If i had a bulldog i'd name him sluggo.

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