Yeah, it is quite impressive...

I wonder though how many of the dogs ancestors were used for Blood Sports?
Don't see anyone bragging:

Her Great, Great, Great, grandfather killed 15 other highly ranked Pit fighting dogs..."

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probably he did, but he also played a role in the farm life of early american families. just for fun, here are some stats from the American Temperament Test Society.

Breed Name
PORTUGUESE WATER DOG
Tested
147
Passed
113
Failed
34
Percent
76.9%

Breed Name
AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
Tested
586
Passed
494
Failed
92
Percent
84.3%

www.atts.org/

not to be personal I'm just messin with ya, but apparently more APBT owners have had their dogs tested than PWD's

1) I don't doubt that more APBT are tested. Do you have any idea how few PWD's there are compared to APBT? When was the last time you even saw a Portie? The breed was nearly extinct some 40 years ago with only 50 known PWD's in existence.

2) 34 PWD failed Temperament, 92 APBT failed temperament. Putting aside how many dogs were tested and percentage's etc, let me ask you a question:
- If you had to make a choice between two dogs attacking you or attacking your dog, which would you rather have go primal? A Portuguese Water Dog or a APBT?

- This is the point I'm trying to make. Some dogs were designed by breeding to kill. It is in the DNA. A Portuguese Water Dog might send you to the hospital and on rare occasion, might be able to deliver a fatal bite (though I have NEVER heard of a mauling by PWD.) But if an APBT goes primal, it's instincts know how to kill. -- So just like a APBT is not going to out swim a PWD, a PWD is not going to outfight or kill an APBT.

I don't take any of this personally but thanks for the reassurance. Also, so you know, I love all dogs and if I were in your home, i'd be rolling around on the floor with your Bully breeds. But on a MACRO scale, not a MICRO scale, I don't believe these dogs belong in multi dog environments, off-leash, or in the homes of the average american.

They are SPECIAL breeds that belong in SPECIAL homes only. They are not labs, they are not poodles. They are PIT FIGHTING dogs with the POTENTIAL to inflict serious damage on other dogs and humans.

And yes, we all know of the Lab or Poodle that killed, but those are fluke events. Animals often do what they were bred to do and people should stop being surprised when a dog that was bred to fight and kill does exactly that.

Again, you're not just arguing with me on this matter, you're also arguing with Pit Bull breeders who fight their dogs. These people, who fight there dogs are not saying, "They can and should be pets and fighting dogs" they are saying, "these dogs are following instincts, these dogs get hot, they were bred for aggression and their ability to kill."

So while they may be fighting their dogs, I would summarize they actually have a lot more experience and exposure with the breed than the casual home user who thinks their dog, "Penny" or "Thor" is just the cutest thing and would never hurt a fly.

Certainly the people who fight their dogs have the ability to assess traits of their animals. Why would you ignore what they have to say simply because they believe in matching and fighting. You can't disregard their opinions simply because you don't believe in their sports.

I don't particularly like the idea of bull fighting in Mexico, but I'd be willing to bet the people who have been doing it all their lives know exactly which bulls and which stock to put in the ring and what does and doesn't make a successful bull.

My point is, for every behaviorist that you can find that will say, they are great dogs, have no aggression and are sweet as pie, I can find a Pit Bull owner/breeder/expert that will tell you these dogs are not pets, they are fighting and killing machines and don't belong in homes of the avg. person. And I have the news articles with the kids mauled faces to back it up.

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