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Old 10-28-2008, 04:53 PM
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"Intel" aka "Intelligence" is what we (and other countries) use as a foundation to proceed in accordance with military force...That means, that yes, if We, or Russia, or whoever, has "intel" that there are hostile forces occuppying an area, (structure, car, tunnel, doghouse, cathouse, etc) then yes, we or Russia, or whoever, will act accordance with that "intel"... its that simple. Thats how it works...
So then you would be fine with the above example?
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Was the guy in Miami routinely killing Cuban soldiers and Cuban citizens over the last 5/6 years without any help from the US in stopping the situation?
If the bombing in my example had taken place in 1980, then the answer would be yes. Would you have been fine with that?

BTW, these were two of the worst terrorists of the 20th century. They both admit to having been involved in numerous terrorist attacks against civilian targets and assassinations (and attempted assassinations) of Cuban and Chilean leaders. And today they both live freely in the United States having never been punished for their crimes. Yet we say Cuba is a terrorist state.
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Danyell....I know you're going to find this hard to believe but I want to point this out to you as clearly as possible...

"Intel" aka "Intelligence" is what we (and other countries) use as a foundation to proceed in accordance with military force...That means, that yes, if We, or Russia, or whoever, has "intel" that there are hostile forces occuppying an area, (structure, car, tunnel, doghouse, cathouse, etc) then yes, we or Russia, or whoever, will act accordance with that "intel"... its that simple. Thats how it works...
Thats not how it works, at least not without warning at the highest level that we will dispose of something in their country...

Thats why you have allies and such, share intel...and if the host country does not do anything about them then someone can intervene...not just get a couple of choppers accross the border blow stuff up and then get back and call it a succesfull strike...

that is not how it works guis...at least not in this manner...
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If the bombing in my example had taken place in 1980, then the answer would be yes. Would you have been fine with that?

BTW, these were two of the worst terrorists of the 20th century. They both admit to having been involved in numerous terrorist attacks against civilian targets and assassinations (and attempted assassinations) of Cuban and Chilean leaders. And today they both live freely in the United States having never been punished for their crimes. Yet we say Cuba is a terrorist state.
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Thats not how it works, at least not without warning at the highest level that we will dispose of something in their country...
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Uh...Regarding the United States...That IS how it works...and we just did it...

See post #32 in case you need clarification as to why ample notice wasn't given...

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Uh..that is how it works with us...and we just did it...
Yep we did...now Washington and Damascus relations are going bad...and there is increasing of anti americanism...

If we really took out Abu Ghadiyah...then tell me how come there is only one anonymous US official that is even confirming this...

Now lets just pretend for a second that we missed the guy, and we actually took out civilians...don't you think their families or some members will become 'walking bombs'?? ..I mean even if we took the guy out...he will be replaced by some other extremist a$$hole....
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Now lets just pretend for a second that we missed the guy, and we actually took out civilians...don't you think their families or some members will become 'walking bombs'?? ..I mean even if we took the guy out...he will be replaced by some other extremist a$$hole....
At the the time in question...We did what we had to do...We can't go around being hesitant and saying a bunch stuff like what if 20 years from now the guy's son is going to come after us? And yes, if we took the guy out he will most likely be replaced by some other asshole...nobody said the situation was perfect.....But try this on for size...If we didn't do what we did, what if 20 years from now the guy's kid wants to bomb us anyway after listening to and witnessing nothing but cowardly acts his whole life by his predocessor? ...yeah....a bunch of what if's... Again, We did what we had to do, at the time in question...
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At the the time in question...We did what we had to do...We can't go around being hesitant and saying a bunch stuff like what if 20 years from now the guy's son is going to come after us? And yes, if we took the guy out he will most likely be replaced by some other asshole...nobody said the situation was perfect.....But try this on for size...If we didn't do what we did, what if 20 years from now the guy's kid wants to bomb us anyway after listening to and witnessing nothing but cowardly acts by his predocessor? ...yeah....a bunch of what if's... Again, We did what we had to do, at the time in question...
man I tell you...we keep this up soon the entire world will be anti-american...I am not saying hesitate...there are different approaches which we could have taken to not 'piss-off' syria which is an US ally...

As EKS said...we are supposed to be the best country... thats not how the best should behave
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We did what we had to do...We can't go around being hesitant and saying a bunch stuff like what if 20 years from now the guy's son is going to come after us?
The CIA guys who were recruiting these islamic extremists to come to Afghanistan and join the Mujahadeen/Al-Queda to fight against the Russians back in the late 1970s -- I'd say they would agree with you. Job well done!
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If the bombing in my example had taken place in 1980, then the answer would be yes. Would you have been fine with that?

BTW, these were two of the worst terrorists of the 20th century. They both admit to having been involved in numerous terrorist attacks against civilian targets and assassinations (and attempted assassinations) of Cuban and Chilean leaders. And today they both live freely in the United States having never been punished for their crimes. Yet we say Cuba is a terrorist state.

Find an example not 3 decades old
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