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Old 04-26-2009, 08:31 PM
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When you think of modern day kidney grills (past 40 years or so) I personally think BMW, I don't think Grand Am. Every modern day BMW has had them.
And every modern day Pontiac has them since the 60's.

Are we done with this yet?


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Do I see M3 like gills in this pic?

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Do I see M3 like gills in this pic?

Nope, you see Pontiac-like Grills in this pic:



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And every modern day Pontiac has them since the 60's.
Not every one. I bet I can show you more modern day Pontiacs without kidney grills than you can show me BMW's.

Here is a start.
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Nope, you see Pontiac-like Grills in this pic:



I said gills not grills....and it was not a spelling error. Those things on front fender of cars which BMW calls gills....as seen in pic below.
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LeMans, You mean side gills like a BMW 507 from the 1950's?
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You are right. I attached the wrong photo. I have plenty of other actual Pontiacs.
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You are right. I attached the wrong photo. I have plenty of other actual Pontiacs.

are we done with this topic yet? After that epic fail I think we should just leave it alone


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Not sure how you can call this a copy.... Holden designed the VE Commodoore then modified it with a poxxy front end so it had some PONTIAC design cues, which don't suit the square look IMO. BMW was not the inspiration for the design.





Holden were quite clear that they benchmarked the BMW 5 series for handling, features and quality. On that basis, they have had an EPIC FAIL.

And what manufacturer these days can release a car that has such a blind spot at the A pillar (going around a roundabout is where you learn to lean aroound it as you drive) as WELL as poor rear vision, a waist line so high and seats so low that the kids in the back seat cannot see out the window (try THAT on a long trip) and the list goes on.....

This in my opinion is why BMW goes from strength to strength and these other manufacturers are wondering what the problem is......

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Come on gresch. Pontiac strayed from the kidney grills numerous times over the years. Kidney grills have been constant over at BMW for 70 years or more. BMW owns that and you know it. I have read more than one article that called the G8 a DNA copy of previous BMW models. They copied the design heavily. I don't blame them, but dont make excuses.
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