TiAg - thanks to your recommendation I will be looking at a Walther PPQ - local gun dealer by me has the PPQ 9mm with 2 15 round mags, new in hardshell box for $600 out the door.

I decided instead of getting another handgun shooting .45 or .357 like I already have (or the .22LR in the Beretta which doubles as ammo for my Ruger 10/22), would do me well to get a nice 9mm where the ammo is super cheap and would be great as a carry gun if I can ever move out of NJ.

I can send you the Armslist links if you want to offer some opinions since you've shot it - I also saw the DB9 FS by Diamondback that he also sells for about $350, looks like a nice Full size 9mm pistol but to be honest I don't know much about Diamondback whereas I know Walther is a tried and tested name.

I just want a handgun that has the NJ max of 15 rounds capacity LOL, and the 9mm bulk ammo price point is amazing per round compared to .45 or .357 (with the latter pushing 45-50 cents per quality round)

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If you're looking for a carry gun, the PPQ is probably going to be too big to conceal well. Unless you're going to open carry or don't care if your gun prints on your shirt, that is.

I'd look to something smaller like a Glock 19, Glock 26, Sig 229, or Sig M11. The Smith & Wesson M&P series and Springfield XD series also come in compact sizes that are better for concealed carry.

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Definitely not looking for a carry gun currently. I already have a Taurus 605SS that would be a good carry gun if I move out of NJ (we can't get CCW here as we are pretty much "no issue" state) - I'm also not a hugely tall guy at 5'7" so it would work for me for the time being, if I moved into another state I'd get a dedicated carry gun down there. For now I'm stuck.

I was looking for something maybe slightly different than what I have currently as far as handguns - although I am considering another 1911 in 9mm too since I just love the timeless look of the 1911:
-Taurus 605SS (.357 Mag 5-shot, 3" barrel)
-Taurus PT1911SS (.45ACP, stainless)
-Beretta Model 102 (This is my classic, .22LR, 6" barrel, Polished blued finish) - pending ownership as its at my wifes grandfathers until my newest PPP is ready for pickup

I'd need to get a PPP but since my Beretta requires one, I may as well apply for 2 at the same time, and purchase a new gun at the same time.

Then TiAg got to talking about the Walthers, and I saw my local store on Armslist selling the following (I'm sure he can get others just noting what he has in stock)

-Diamondback DB9-FS Black - $350 (I'm not a huge fan of the large grip/magazine area on this gun, although the warranty is great and the dealer says that they shoot awesome)
-Walther PPQ-M2 9mm - $599
-Walther PK-.380 - $399 (large difference from PPQ price-wise, the PK looks real nice!)
-Rock Island 1911A1 9mm - $525 - again I really like 1911's so I would consider another one in 9mm
-Taurus JUDGE - $500 - Always wanted one of these, like a hand cannon, I don't care if this would be my only gun taking the ammo, it shoots friggin .410 shells
-Sig Sauer SP2022 9mm - $500
-Cold Gold Cup Trophy 1911 in .22LR - $400 - again, I like 1911's and I have a ton of .22LR and 2 other guns shooting it so I would consider it for sure for the price

Or I could just apply for one PPP for the Beretta, and buy myself another rifle, I looked at the S&W M&P 15-22 AR-style rifle shooting .22, could be had for $400 out the door all day. So I'd probably lean towards one of the 3 handguns listed above around the $400 range (Walther PK-380, Colt 1911 .22). I also love Glocks and would probably just save for one in the future.

He also has a H&K VP9/LE which I am lusting and drooling over, but the price point just isn't in the cards right now, my dog is going through some health issues which we have to pay for first.

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Sorry to hear about your pup! I hope he pulls through ok.

Here's my 2 cents on your list (not that you asked ).

I know you already have a Taurus, but I'd skip that brand. Their quality is hit and miss. Also, if you weren't aware, they have a class action settlement. I'm not sure if yours is caught up in it. Plus, I've seen reports of them throwing up their hands on defective revolvers and just s telling their customers "sorry, it can't be fixed". With all that going against them, I'd avoid it.

If you want a 1911, get it in .45ACP. There's something weird about a 1911 in any other caliber. I'm like you - I love the 1911. John Browning's finest work...I've got two of 'em. An older Kimber (before their quality went downhill) and a stainless Sig GSR. They're my favorites to shoot.

Rock Island makes a pretty good entry level 1911, like you mentioned. I'd also look at Springfield Armory. The Range Officer (RO) model has some nice upgrades for a reasonable price. Ruger also makes a nice stainless 1911 for about $700, which is a pretty good price for a quality gun.

And if you're interested in a Sig, take a look at the P320. It's their new striker fired pistol and should be about the same price as the 2022.

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If I was looking at 9mm handguns, I would at least look into this......

Wilson Combat | Beretta 92G Brigadier Tactical

Pricey, but an AWESOME gun for the money. Wilson will do a trigger job during build for $100 more.

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Yeah but you've still got a 10 mile long pull with that Beretta 92 trigger.

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That's why I mentioned the Wilson Combat trigger job. I carried a 92FS for over 20 yrs, never liked the trigger that much.

That might be why the Walther PPQ trigger blew my mind. I'm not happy with the Sig 227 trigger any more, not as crisp on break (and too far back for my big hands), and longer reset (not as quick on double/triple taps). More feedback feel on the PPQ trigger reset too!

The sites are set EXACTLY where I like them (6 o'clock), hit right where I expected (never had to adjust point of aim for site position).

Damn! Now I need the PPQ.

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I agree, the PPQ is too large for MOST to C Carry.

I'm 6'1", 225 lbs and large hands (over 8.5" wrist to middle finger tip). I find the compacts too small (they don't point naturally due to small grip/large hands, and the shorter sight radius of the smaller slides require more attention to putting sites on target).

Also LOVE the long range accuracy of a full size (Those 50yd to 80 yd shots in Hickok45 PPQ vid are IMPOSSIBLE with a compact, and needed in an "active shooter" situation)

Being a tall, not too heavy person, I find the full size service duty Sig 227 with IWB holster works well (I dress "loose", XXL shirts, 38 waist pants/jeans/cargo shorts (could wear XL shirts & 36 waist but go larger for IWB holster)).

When I suit up (Italian suits, tighter fit), I use a Bianchi shoulder holster under the jacket. My tailor has told me I'm not the only one getting fitted with a shoulder holster. Gotta love Texas!

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I do REALLY appreciate the input. I'll definitely look into the Taurus class action settlement and see what was going on - good news was that both my Taurus guns were gifts so I'm not really out much money on them - when I stripped and cleaned both of them recently all the actions seemed smooth and haven't had issues with either of them yet, so I'm hoping I got a pair of good guns.

EDIT: Looked up the class action, does not affect the 1911's or the revolvers as far as I can tell.

Good call on the Rock Island, I probably will consider them if I get another 1911, and yes, I'll probably get another .45ACP - easier for me to get another .45 when I already have one and can just buy bulk ammunition for 2 guns.

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