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View Poll Results: How will Trumps presidency end?
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Old 06-05-2020, 11:32 AM
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I think the historical ways of handling a protest need to be addressed. Police and protesters face to face will always escalate tensions.

There should be a clear definition of what constitutes a peaceful demonstration and what police action is appropriate. For instance, at least try to create an X yards zone that neither police or protester can enter- the clear line in the sand. If there are fires or looting peaceful protesters must move to a location to allow those instances to be addressed. Make it clear police will be advancing to make that possible. Those that don't retreat are subject to arrest or removal.

Currently law enforcement is in a lose/lose position if the protest gets out of hand. We have the right to protest but we don't have the right to destroy property or do anything that endangers police.

Social media provides a retribution free platform for the worst of people. Big talkers, bullies, extremists etc. and draws in others of the same character. Human nature is inclined to be negative and when not face to face it is at its worst. That won't go away. It's a new day and we need new ways to stay in step. Otherwise, these divisive methods will continue to widen the gap and increase the intensity of political beliefs, prejudice and what is appropriate behavior.
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Old 06-05-2020, 11:54 AM
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I don't disagree with that.

I think a lot of the blame for it being as widespread can be placed on social media. Society has taken a hit in terms of civility because of those platforms. Shoot even Trump uses it to say the dumbest things that he wouldn't say from the White House press room. The looters will be rounded up (not all unfortunately) as many of them are on video and even self-incriminating themselves by streaming themselves while looting or rioting. Was watching a guy get arrested a couple days ago in Charleston after Facebook living his crimes. Moron.
Social media gives these looters easy access to information, like where the protests are happening and which areas to loot. It doesn’t tell them to loot

Why blame the social media for a persons own judgement?

But you're right. Social media gives like-minded people a platform to voice their own sets of beliefs and values.
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Old 05-30-2022, 05:46 PM
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I guess I forgot the last option:

__ He lasts 4 years, is impeached twice, stages a coup against the government AND then runs 4 years later in 2024 and serves a second term.
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Old 05-30-2022, 09:20 PM
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I guess I forgot the last option:

__ He lasts 4 years, is impeached twice, stages a coup against the government AND then runs 4 years later in 2024 and serves a second term.
Wouldn't that be a thing to behold?

All politicians are scumbags. If this pandemic (and economy) has taught me anything, it's that blue or red, it doesn't matter. They all want to shrink the middle class, get wealthier off our backs, and satisfy their corporate over lords. Both parties spend us into oblivion, deregulate industries that should not be, and keep up the "us vs. them" mentality to keep us all quibbling amongst ourselves. "My group of rich elites cares about us more than your group of rich elites." GTFOH.

If you vote an incumbent in any election, it's a contribution to the downfall of the Republic.
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Shocking that someone can look at our democracy and think "yeah, lets just burn it all down".


The thought that it is as simple as 'elites' of one stripe or another just having their way when their guys is in office/power is utterly misguided. It assumes both 'sides' are the same- that is just not the case
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Old 06-06-2022, 11:53 AM
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Shocking that someone can look at our democracy and think "yeah, lets just burn it all down".


The thought that it is as simple as 'elites' of one stripe or another just having their way when their guys is in office/power is utterly misguided. It assumes both 'sides' are the same- that is just not the case
The two political parties have convinced the majority of people of this, but please elaborate on how they are not. You gave a 3 sentence rebuttal, with no information in it, and the incorrect assumption, I think we should "burn it all down."

I'll give a few points on how the parties are the same:
  • Both parties have continually increased the national debt (through spending, subsidies, wars, etc) and devalued the dollar
  • Both parties have deregulated industries that have contributed to financial crashes, retirement accts being wiped out, and global instability (best example, the financial industry but healthcare/pharma and energy industries apply too)
  • Both parties refuse to pass campaign reform
  • Both parties have failed to pressure the Fed to raise interested rates before crashes (and resulting inflation)
  • Both parties refuse to uphold laws in favor of changing them at the behest of corporations (ie: copyright law, telecoms, etc)
  • Both parties refuse to raise wealthy and corporate taxes (and cut spending) or work on tax reform (because H&R Block and others want to be able to collect their pound of flesh during tax season)
  • Both parties have failed to legalize marijuana, despite overwhelming majority supporting it (because pharma and alcohol lobbies against it)

If voting every incumbent out of office is considered, "burning it to the ground," I think we have an issue as that is obviously not what I said. Career politicians are tics sucking the life's blood from our Republic (and our middle class). Many items on the above list are a direct product of Citizen's United, lobbying, and the resulting corporate influence.

If you hold "Democratic" ideals, vote another Democrat into office. And if you hold "Republican" ideals, vote another Republican in. But we need to get rid of these career scabs on our society.
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I agree. Both sides are not the same. And within the sides they are not the same.

Lobbyists contribute to members of congress. There are no term limits. Median net worth of members of congress is over $1,000,000. Corporate contributions for some members are over $250,000. We have PACs and super PACs that contribute. Cost of campaigns reach millions to hundreds of millions and it is not unusual that there is significant debt whether they win or lose. We can quibble about the numbers but my point is it is largely up to the remaining middle class to change the narrative toward equal to greater power.

The middle class has been decreasing for decades because of comparative loss of income to upper class. Even when the majority of Americans are in favor of a specific change it is extremely rare the issue will ever come to a vote because of party line voting. These changes have happened over many decades and the rate of change is increasing.

Only about 60% of American voters actually vote. That means there are a lot of folks bitching but not voting. Young Americans are the least likely to vote.

The constitution is an antique in many ways. It's easy to argue about and almost impossible to change. There's no one that has the foresight to create a document that is still is completely viable after 200+ years.

We trapped ourselves into a downward spiral of the destruction of unity and more and more Americans are contributing. Not seeking common ground but only seeking to cultivate differences.

Only qualifications for congress--over 30 years old and never too old, citizen for 9 years and live in the state represented.

We aren't changing anything important. We aren't conceding any points of view and we expect something to change if a particular party is the majority and/or some President is going to be productive and make changes to reverse the fall of the middle class.
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Old 06-07-2022, 12:46 PM
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Root issue:

2 senators from each state.


A minority of white christian citizens hold control of the senate. Their quest to retain control by whatever means they can will lead to increasing unrest.



This is the fatal flaw of american democracy.


Voting and term limits will not fix this....
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Actually the problem is that people in each state now vote for their Senators where before the State itself did.

This meant before that your Congressman looked out for the people of their State and the Senators looked out for the interests of the state instead people only do what grants them largess leading to failure of America.

PS. Way to blame one racial group and one religion....

(Everyone knows it's the Muslim blacks) or (Asian atheists) somehow the above sentence is considered racist and wrong yet you feel it is ok in making a racist and bigoted statement just because you said "white" and "Christian"


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Root issue:

2 senators from each state.


A minority of white christian citizens hold control of the senate. Their quest to retain control by whatever means they can will lead to increasing unrest.



This is the fatal flaw of american democracy.


Voting and term limits will not fix this....
Who are the individuals you are referencing? And your opinion of a solution is what?
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