I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

What number post has the link to 91 studies?

Was post 119. I haven't gone there yet.

Originally Posted by EODguy

Here's a link to an aggregator of actual medical studies.

I don't know about the aggregator site but I'm just too lazy to post 91 links

https://brownstone.org/articles/79-r...ed-and-quoted/

[bcredliner]

Now I know why I didn't remember. It had nothing to do with the discussion then. The mission of Brownstone is to find way to prevent lockdown. Seemed a hint of bias.

All the 96 studies are about natural immunity.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Now I know why I didn't remember. It had nothing to do with the discussion then. The mission of Brownstone is to find way to prevent lockdown. Seemed a hint of bias.

All the 96 studies are about natural immunity.

So comparing viral loads of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated doesn't count? Studies about breakthrough cases?

I'll post some links individually since you didn't look at the clinical studies only the website which I said had aggregated them and based your uneducated reading comprehension you based your opinion on the aggregator not the scientific studies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26214839/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34351882/

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[EODguy]

mRNA vaccines have been PROVEN to have no long term effects.....

I am posting an excerpt from the American Journal of Medicine and am including the reference number.


Am J Med.*2021 Jun; 134(6): 703–704.

Published online 2021 Mar 15.*doi:*10.1016/j.amjmed.2021.02.004

PMCID:*PMC7956899

PMID:*33737059

Frederick L. Hitti, MD, PhDa,⁎*and*Drew Weissman, MD, PhDb

The COVID-19 phase III mRNA-LNP vaccine trials have monitored most subjects for more than 2 months, suggesting that long-term adverse effects are unlikely. Moderna has enrolled >1700 volunteers in 12 previous Phase I/II trials, and they have not reported any long-term adverse events.7*In the Moderna COVID-19 phase III vaccine trial data, the FDA did note an imbalance of cases of Bell's palsy in the vaccine group (n = 3) compared with the placebo group (n = 1). Only one case was ongoing; the rest were resolved or resolving.8*In the Pfizer/BioNTech trial, 4 cases of Bell's palsy were noted in the vaccine group and none in the placebo group. One case resolved and the others were continuing/resolving.9*This rate of Bell's palsy (0.02% for both trials) does not exceed the expected background rate of this disease.

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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

So comparing viral loads of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated doesn't count? Studies about breakthrough cases?

I'll post some links individually since you didn't look at the clinical studies only the website which I said had aggregated them and based your uneducated reading comprehension you based your opinion on the aggregator not the scientific studies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26214839/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34351882/

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I suggest reframe from insults they serve no purpose and reflect negatively on your character.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Happy

Ahh.. Ok, understood.

So quick question, are you a democrat?

Have been wondering and decided I would ask---Does it make a difference in this discussion if I am a Democrat?

[bcredliner]

EODguy. Just a recap of how much are views differ. It seems like some of yours have changed. Here's mine.

The vaccines work.
There are 90+% effective.
Boosters are a good thing, not an indication vaccines are not effective.
The percentage of individuals with reactions to the virus is an extremely low percentage. Serious reactions is an extremely small percentage if those that have reactions. The percentage that are life threatening is a small percentage of serious reactions. The percentage of those with ongoing medical issues is an extremely small percentage of those with serious reactions.
Even if vaccinated one should follow the guidelines of avoiding crowds, wearing a mask and washing hands frequently.
I support mandates as long as so many refuse to be vaccinated.
Vaccination is vital to reaching herd immunity.
The larger the number unvaccinated the more likely there will be more mutations.
The larger the number not vaccinated the more likely the pandemic will continue and keep us from getting back to 'normal'.
Crossover cases are an extremely low percentage and usually very mild even without symptoms.
Recommended masks work.
There is some level of immunity for those that have had COVID. It is not the same for everyone. There are no longterm studies that show how long the initial level of immunity is retained.
Vaccinations are still recommended for those that have had COVID.

All points have been backed up with linked studies by CDC, WHO or NIH which review studies and verify information from around the world to determine the necessary appropriate guidelines toward eradication of COVID.

What are your views?

[Happy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Have been wondering and decided I would ask---Does it make a difference in this discussion if I am a Democrat?

No, not at all. I was asking only because of your comments about republicans.

I was curious if you were a democrat, or a republican with disdain toward the party.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

EODguy. Just a recap of how much are views differ. It seems like some of yours have changed. Here's mine.

The vaccines work.
There are 90+% effective.
Boosters are a good thing, not an indication vaccines are not effective.
The percentage of individuals with reactions to the virus is an extremely low percentage. Serious reactions is an extremely small percentage if those that have reactions. The percentage that are life threatening is a small percentage of serious reactions. The percentage of those with ongoing medical issues is an extremely small percentage of those with serious reactions.
Even if vaccinated one should follow the guidelines of avoiding crowds, wearing a mask and washing hands frequently.
I support mandates as long as so many refuse to be vaccinated.
Vaccination is vital to reaching herd immunity.
The larger the number unvaccinated the more likely there will be more mutations.
The larger the number not vaccinated the more likely the pandemic will continue and keep us from getting back to 'normal'.
Crossover cases are an extremely low percentage and usually very mild even without symptoms.
Recommended masks work.
There is some level of immunity for those that have had COVID. It is not the same for everyone. There are no longterm studies that show how long the initial level of immunity is retained.
Vaccinations are still recommended for those that have had COVID.

All points have been backed up with linked studies by CDC, WHO or NIH which review studies and verify information from around the world to determine the necessary appropriate guidelines toward eradication of COVID.

What are your views?

I second BC's take on vaccine and the mandates.

You either take it as a precaution or you don't take it.

I think most people use logic when they decide whether to take it or not.

Do you have pre-existing conditions that could cause your body to react negatively?

In other words does the side effect of the vaccine outweight the benefit for you.

Once you make that determination with the help of your doctor, you are all set.

Follow the CDC guidelines and best of luck to you and your family.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Happy

No, not at all. I was asking only because of your comments about republicans.

I was curious if you were a democrat, or a republican with disdain toward the party.

The only disdain I have for Republicans I have for democrats as well.

That is the lack of bipartisan thinking. Unless the President, and both houses are dominated by one party or the other nothing gets done. Regardless of the balance there are too many that do nothing other than trash talk the other party. IMO, the Republicans have been the most vicious and off the wall but there are some Democrats that certainly contribute. If we sit in the same room to find a decision we can both support the chance that will happen when we have been calling each other names or worse is, as they say- slim to none and Slim left town. And if there is outside pressure from other members of either party that are ready to take our heads off if we don't just reject everything the other suggests, nothing usually gets done. I think it was 18 Republicans that broke rank and voted for the infrastructure bill. Directly after a group of republicans wanted them ousted. There will be attempts to end their careers for standing up for how their constituents wanted them to vote.