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Old 10-18-2021, 09:59 AM
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That ref is the anomaly of the large family gathering awhile ago, not some broad sweep stat that would suggest 74% of people that received the shots are in the hosptial...

Here in Western NC, the rate of hospitalization of those that have received the shots less than 21% in the state's blather of 'data'.

Another area that I do follow closely is Sarasota County where we spend winters:

Sarasota County hospitals report that the Covid hospitalization rate for Those Without Any Shots is 84% and has held steady at 81-84% since they started keeping close stats a year plus ago.

I don't give a damn if EDOGuy, Happy, Purplecty, et al don't get/don't have the shots. Good Fookin Luck if you don't.
ďMore than 7,00 breakthrough cases of Covid-19 that have resulted in death have been reported to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention through October 12. By that time, more than 187 million people in the US were fully vaccinated. That's one out of every 26,000 fully vaccinated people who has died of Covid-19, or 0.004%.
Of those breakthrough cases resulting in death, 85% were among people age 65 and older and 57% were among men, according to the CDC.

CDC data also show that the risk of dying from Covid-19 is more than 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than it is for vaccinated adults throughout August. Among seniors, who are more susceptible to severe Covid-19, that gap is smaller. Among those 80 and older, the risk of dying from Covid-19 in August was about five times higher among unvaccinated people than among fully vaccinated people.Ē.


I felt this quote shouldíve been here to serve its purpose better.

The national stats is 0.004% death rate for people whoís taken the shot.

Sure looks like good odds to me. Compared to overall 1.64% death rate of COVID(not finalized, but close enough for discussion purposes)

Closing the gap on that 90 million number of unvaccinated is job one now, IMO.
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Old 10-18-2021, 11:26 AM
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Very misleading quote taken out of context.



Virus does not discriminate, but vaccine protects you from hospitalization and death. Failed to put that in, didnít you?
Not misleading at all.

People who've had covid19 have antibodies for the whole virus.

People who've only been vaccinated x2 only have antibodies for the spike protein and that's why you see breakthrough cases in the "vaccinated" as opposed to those who have a broader immunity.

Also it's pretty hokey that you ignore that 73% of those hospitalizations (as I said before ) in New England were fully vaccinated and the other 27% hospitalized had not had covid19 before, had not been vaccinated, had only 1 shot or had 2 shots but less than 14 days prior to getting covid19.

You might want to read things like the Lancet, Science or the CDC instead of some bullshitter on cable news shows.

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Old 10-18-2021, 12:00 PM
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If covid were seriously deadly. Not ~1.64% deadly (used Maruzo's stat, didn't look that up). Getting people to take the shots would not be an issue. They'd be lining up for days.

But let's face it, CV19 is not going to be the end of humanity, with or without the vaccines. Let those who wish to roll the dice, to do so. The knowledge is now out there to protect you and yours, let others evaluate the data as they see fit. Hah, they might prove to be geniuses if the rest of us die off in 10 years from some sort of weird effect. I know that's extremely unlikely, it's a joke. Hopefully.

Even with 100% vaccination >12YO the virus won't just disappear. Still plenty of <12YO hosts out there. Vaccinated can still transmit it, and the potency of that wears off according to the data. Boosters will be necessary... this is a long haul thing, if not permanent like the flu, not something we can eradicate. People on both sides of this bickering back and forth as if either has a crystal ball is seriously draining. Personally and on a national level.

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Old 10-18-2021, 01:37 PM
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I don't give a damn if EDOGuy, Happy, Purplecty, et al don't get/don't have the shots. Good Fookin Luck if you don't.

I nearly passed away from the delta variant in the middle of August. It was the second time Iíve had the virus.

The first time there was no vaccine. The second time I was waiting to see if the FDA was going approve it or not. I fell ill with delta during the time of the approval. Itís kind of a difficult decision to make, when to this day they canít figure out how to properly administer it. Anyway..

While I was receiving treatment at the VA medical center, out of hundreds of patients, a small handful of us were not vaccinated. The amount of breakthrough cases was staggering. Their symptoms were no different than mine, and some were still near death.

At the end of the day itís a nasty virus! Vaccinated, or not, I am not going to take a, ďI donít give a damnĒ about others approach like some here. What I will say is..

Do whatever it takes for yourselves personally to survive.
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Old 10-18-2021, 06:46 PM
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Aren't vaccinated people still catching and potentially spreading the virus as well?
4-5 people per 1,000,000 vaccinated are catching COVID a second time.
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Old 10-18-2021, 06:56 PM
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Hospitalized or not the virus appears not to discriminate between vaccinated and unvaccinated...
Part of making an informed decision is listening to both sides and they taking those points and then finding out what organizations like CDO, WHO etc., the experts, are saying.

Once again, 4-5 individuals per million that were fully vaccinated have had COVID a second time. While it is true the virus does not discriminate it is certainly a galaxy away from being a success story infecting those that have been fully vaccinated.
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Old 10-18-2021, 07:04 PM
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I nearly passed away from the delta variant in the middle of August. It was the second time Iíve had the virus.

The first time there was no vaccine. The second time I was waiting to see if the FDA was going approve it or not. I fell ill with delta during the time of the approval. Itís kind of a difficult decision to make, when to this day they canít figure out how to properly administer it. Anyway..

While I was receiving treatment at the VA medical center, out of hundreds of patients, a small handful of us were not vaccinated. The amount of breakthrough cases was staggering. Their symptoms were no different than mine, and some were still near death.

At the end of the day itís a nasty virus! Vaccinated, or not, I am not going to take a, ďI donít give a damnĒ about others approach like some here. What I will say is..

Do whatever it takes for yourselves personally to survive.
It was so much fun the first time that decided not to protect yourself from a second bout? Sounds like hitting my thumb with a hammer because it feels so good when I quit. Where were all those first time antibodies?
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Old 10-18-2021, 07:42 PM
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4-5 people per 1,000,000 vaccinated are catching COVID a second time.
So out of roughly 327 million, about 1300 to 1600 would breakthrough if the entire population were vaccinated. Thatís about 30 persons per state based on 4-5

I can assure you, one that the entire population is not vaccinated. And two, there were a lot more than 1300 to 1600 breakthrough cases with delta.

If your hypothesis above were even remotely true, we wouldnít even be discussing boosters.
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Old 10-18-2021, 07:49 PM
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It was so much fun the first time that decided not to protect yourself from a second bout? Sounds like hitting my thumb with a hammer because it feels so good when I quit. Where were all those first time antibodies?
Fun?

Protect myself? With what? A booster.

I was surrounded by numerous double vaccinated Vets at the hospital fighting to survive. They were having the same symptoms I was experiencing, at the same severity.

Your hammer analogy is just ignorance on your part. I got covid twice, yay! Seriously?

Iíll tell you what I did do though. Survive this virus not once, but twice!
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It's inevitable! You will catch it at some point vaccinated or not. I know! It sucks! You can run but you can't hide! You may or may not be hospitalized but you will survive! Once we all understand this we can ALL move on from this absurd time we live in...
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