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Old 10-18-2021, 08:16 PM
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I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

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It's inevitable! You will catch it at some point vaccinated or not. I know! It sucks! You can run but you can't hide! You may or may not be hospitalized but you will survive! Once we all understand this we can ALL move on from this absurd time we live in...

Purp.. It is.. What it is..!

Not all will survive. Some will..!

My family and I consistently defy the science behind what mankind thinks this virus can or canít do.

I AM STILL ALIVE..!

Stay strong, do what is right for you. Donít let anyone or anything get in your head. You make the final decision over your well being.

I also agree with you. I cannot wait till this is no longer an issue for humanity.
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Old 10-18-2021, 10:30 PM
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If covid were seriously deadly. Not ~1.64% deadly (used Maruzo's stat, didn't look that up). Getting people to take the shots would not be an issue. They'd be lining up for days.

But let's face it, CV19 is not going to be the end of humanity, with or without the vaccines. Let those who wish to roll the dice, to do so. The knowledge is now out there to protect you and yours, let others evaluate the data as they see fit. Hah, they might prove to be geniuses if the rest of us die off in 10 years from some sort of weird effect. I know that's extremely unlikely, it's a joke. Hopefully.

Even with 100% vaccination >12YO the virus won't just disappear. Still plenty of <12YO hosts out there. Vaccinated can still transmit it, and the potency of that wears off according to the data. Boosters will be necessary... this is a long haul thing, if not permanent like the flu, not something we can eradicate. People on both sides of this bickering back and forth as if either has a crystal ball is seriously draining. Personally and on a national level.

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Amen to that. A shining star has fallen and returned to it's resting place.

No one escapes from the big one. How you go is where you can maintain some control over.

I rather go quickly and painlessly in my sleep (that does tend to happen to people who's healthy, fit, and does tons of cardio). Rather than having tubes stuck inside of me and trying not to drown with a liquid filled lung.
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Has anyone here had the flu before where you are coughing a lot, feverish (not high fever) and so on that went to the doctor?

Did the doctor prescribe you anything for your symptoms back then?
I ask because people during covid19 mostly went to get tested when they had symptoms and wanted to check if it was coronavirus.

Yet doctors haven't been really prescribing medications for the symptoms like they did for the flu (neither had a "cure" available) but hospitalization rates had to be influenced by the "go home and come back if you get too fucked up" and I would really like to know why they didn't even try until people were very sick....

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Old 10-19-2021, 11:45 AM
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So out of roughly 327 million, about 1300 to 1600 would breakthrough if the entire population were vaccinated. Thatís about 30 persons per state based on 4-5

I can assure you, one that the entire population is not vaccinated. And two, there were a lot more than 1300 to 1600 breakthrough cases with delta.

If your hypothesis above were even remotely true, we wouldnít even be discussing boosters.
4-5 per 1 million is accurate as is the current number in US that have been fully vaccinated at 188 million. The number fully vaccinated that will get COVID the second time is 940. I was not using the entire population because the number that are fully vaccinated that will get COVID a second time could change to be more or less then the 4-5 per million. The statistics I used were from CDC. The breakthrough cases are for all ages and includes those with pre-existing conditions that can contribute to the severity and the potential of a second infection.

The reason for boosters is to extend the 95% percent effectiveness of the those fully vaccinated. There are no statistics about a number of individuals that were infected by COVID that have had booster shots--to soon. If you can insure me there are more breakthrough cases, how many breakthrough cases have there been and what is your source?
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Has anyone here had the flu before where you are coughing a lot, feverish (not high fever) and so on that went to the doctor?

Did the doctor prescribe you anything for your symptoms back then?
I ask because people during covid19 mostly went to get tested when they had symptoms and wanted to check if it was coronavirus.

Yet doctors haven't been really prescribing medications for the symptoms like they did for the flu (neither had a "cure" available) but hospitalization rates had to be influenced by the "go home and come back if you get too fucked up" and I would really like to know why they didn't even try until people were very sick....

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Old 10-19-2021, 02:52 PM
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4-5 per 1 million is accurate as is the current number in US that have been fully vaccinated at 188 million. The number fully vaccinated that will get COVID the second time is 940. I was not using the entire population because the number that are fully vaccinated that will get COVID a second time could change to be more or less then the 4-5 per million. The statistics I used were from CDC. The breakthrough cases are for all ages and includes those with pre-existing conditions that can contribute to the severity and the potential of a second infection.



The reason for boosters is to extend the 95% percent effectiveness of the those fully vaccinated. There are no statistics about a number of individuals that were infected by COVID that have had booster shots--to soon. If you can insure me there are more breakthrough cases, how many breakthrough cases have there been and what is your source?

At 940, that statistic is even more absurd. That equates to 19 breakthrough cases per state, for our nationís 50 states. Thatís why I used the entire population. 30 cases per state isnít even a realistic number. So, out of all 50 states, only 940 breakthrough cases per CDC statistics for 188 million vaccinated individuals? You can put your faith in that, Iíll take it with a grain of salt.

I can confirm though what I witnessed in person. The VA medical center I was treated at, had more than 19 breakthrough cases alone. Per physician and nursing staff the number was much greater, in the hundreds. I also communicated with multiple Vets myself, who are fully vaccinated, that were there with severe breakthrough covid delta. This was at just one hospital, in one city, in only one state. Per the CDC statistic, maybe one case should have been present, if that. That was not the case.

Also remember, May of this year, the CDC decided to modify itís surveillance of breakthrough cases. That puts us at the mercy of their reporting. Ironically, they changed the reporting weeks before the very initial delta outbreak occurred in the U.S.. Recap.. We have a novel virus poisoning the earthís inhabitants, an experimental (now FDA approved for only 8 weeks) mRNA therapy that is being used to vaccinate said inhabitants, making those individuals that lined up first, the initial test subjects. Their reporting should have remained 100%..! Any, and all information pertaining to the eradication of this virus should be reported to the people, period. But itís not.

That is why there has been so much distrust throughout this pandemic. But see, I have 2 years with it now during my walk. Iíve been able to discern a few things by now. You say statistics for boosters are too soon to tell. Everything about this pandemic is too soon to tell. The time for telling will be when it becomes history, and wether you survived it or not.

On that note, I cannot assure you of anything pertaining to an exact breakthrough case count. If you choose to believe 940, then 940 it is. If I believe there are more, then more it is. How many exact cases, You and I may never truly know. I believe the only way you and I would even have a slight chance of knowing, would be if we were physically reporting it ourselves as agents of the CDC. Otherwise, itís all second hand information.
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Old 10-19-2021, 03:54 PM
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I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or &quot;Is DeSantis toast?&quot;

Hereís some fresh case data published today, since we are on a DeSantis thread, discussing case statistics.

New infections per 100,000 Florida residents dropped to 12 over the past week, according to the New York Times coronavirus tracker. Over the past 14 days, cases dropped by 48%.

Other states with far more expansive pandemic restrictions are seeing COVID-19 continue to spread at faster rates than Florida.

In New York, for example, the rate of new cases is more than double that of Floridaís at 25 per 100,000 residents over the past week.

In Washington state, the rate of new infections per 100,000 residents was at 31 during the past week.
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At 940, that statistic is even more absurd. That equates to 19 breakthrough cases per state, for our nationís 50 states. Thatís why I used the entire population. 30 cases per state isnít even a realistic number. So, out of all 50 states, only 940 breakthrough cases per CDC statistics for 188 million vaccinated individuals? You can put your faith in that, Iíll take it with a grain of salt.

In order to have a breakthrough case the individual must have been fully vaccinated. That's why using the entire population is incorrect. Sounds like your are skeptical of the CDC because it doesn't support your view. What sources do think are accurate?

I can confirm though what I witnessed in person. The VA medical center I was treated at, had more than 19 breakthrough cases alone. Per physician and nursing staff the number was much greater, in the hundreds. I also communicated with multiple Vets myself, who are fully vaccinated, that were there with severe breakthrough covid delta. This was at just one hospital, in one city, in only one state. Per the CDC statistic, maybe one case should have been present, if that. That was not the case.

All VA hospital input would still be anecdotal. That's why I am asking for your source. How many breakthrough cases have there been in the US per your source.

Also remember, May of this year, the CDC decided to modify itís surveillance of breakthrough cases. That puts us at the mercy of their reporting. Ironically, they changed the reporting weeks before the very initial delta outbreak occurred in the U.S.. Recap.. We have a novel virus poisoning the earthís inhabitants, an experimental (now FDA approved for only 8 weeks) mRNA therapy that is being used to vaccinate said inhabitants, making those individuals that lined up first, the initial test subjects. Their reporting should have remained 100%..! Any, and all information pertaining to the eradication of this virus should be reported to the people, period. But itís not.

So your position is that the CDC is not reporting 100% of the breakthrough cases? Is that your interpretation or do you have a verifying source?

That is why there has been so much distrust throughout this pandemic. But see, I have 2 years with it now during my walk. Iíve been able to discern a few things by now. You say statistics for boosters are too soon to tell. Everything about this pandemic is too soon to tell. The time for telling will be when it becomes history, and wether you survived it or not.
There is already lots of history to draw accurate conclusions. The only reason it is premature to evaluate the worth of the booster shot is it has only been available for a few weeks.

I don't agree that everything is too soon to tell. There have been 242+ million cases of COVID worldwide, 4.9+ million deaths and 219.5+ million who have recovered. The virus has been in US for at least 22 months. Statistically that is tons more than needed to draw accurate conclusions as of this date.

On that note, I cannot assure you of anything pertaining to an exact breakthrough case count. If you choose to believe 940, then 940 it is. If I believe there are more, then more it is. How many exact cases, You and I may never truly know. I believe the only way you and I would even have a slight chance of knowing, would be if we were physically reporting it ourselves as agents of the CDC. Otherwise, itís all second hand information.
Believing it is more does not make it true. If you know it is more what is the source of your belief? If I have faulty information I would like to find out what the correct number is. What motivation does the CDC have to hide anything? Everything I have posted is based on the reporting of experts. It's not my or the opinion of anyone else. It is direct results from professional studies and experts on infectious diseases.
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I think he's channeling Trumpism and hoping his familiar antics could win him the next presidential candidate among die hard trump fans.
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Purp.. It is.. What it is..!

Not all will survive. Some will..!

My family and I consistently defy the science behind what mankind thinks this virus can or canít do.

I AM STILL ALIVE..!

Stay strong, do what is right for you. Donít let anyone or anything get in your head. You make the final decision over your well being.

I also agree with you. I cannot wait till this is no longer an issue for humanity.
If you are taking about me, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am only addressing inaccurate information.

Just wondering, why do you defy science? Does that mean you don't follow the guidelines and no one in your family has been vaccinated? Sounds like you are proud of not following the science. Is that in general or just as it relates to the virus?

If COVID is eradicated, per experts, it will be two more years or longer. IMO the US will be bringing up the rear because so many will not follow the guidelines and/or get vaccinated. As long as that is the case the virus can mutate and likely become more deadly just as the Delta variant has been.
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