I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[Purplecty]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

The problem with not mandating vaccination against covid is we still have roughly 90 Million or so of the population not vaccinated, and the states they live in is now the hot bed for new covid cases.

That’s a serious downside. It means we are continuing to feed the virus with new hosts and allowing possible new mutations time to emerge.

When are we going to realize an effective campaign against a world wide pandemic means a country wide strategy to fight the virus?

Personal freedom doesn’t play into this pandemic at all.

Do you not require all your soldiers to put on their helmet when they are in a battlefield?

Aren't vaccinated people still catching and potentially spreading the virus as well?

[Maruzo]

So, by your logic, a bullet can sometimes ricochet and kill a soldier wearing a helmet. Does that mean all the soldiers can decide arbitrarily to wear or not to wear a helmet on the battlefield?

[Purplecty]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

So, by your logic, a bullet can sometimes ricochet and kill a soldier wearing a helmet. Does that mean all the soldiers can decide arbitrarily to wear or not to wear a helmet on the battlefield?

It was just a question. Now I have another question... If an unvaccinated soldier wearing a helmet catches covid they would probably have a much higher chance of surviving then getting shot in the head without their helmet?

[Maruzo]

I get why it’s pointless to try and convince you otherwise.

So here it is. You and the 90 millions or so people in this country are doing a disservice to everyone by refusing to do all that you can to stop the spread of this pandemic.

It’s not going away because you exercise your personal freedom.

It goes away because you make a personal sacrifice to do what you don’t like to do so we can all collectively try and stop it.

Finding excuse not to buck up? What are you? 8?

[Happy]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Aren't vaccinated people still catching and potentially spreading the virus as well?

Yep.

[Purplecty]

Originally Posted by Happy

Yep.

I thought so...

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Aren't vaccinated people still catching and potentially spreading the virus as well?

Yes.
In New England 73% of covid19 hospitalizations were fully vaccinated (both shots more than 14 days prior) and the rest were unvaccinated (none, one or both vaccines less than 14 days prior)



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[motordavid]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Yes.
In New England 73% of covid19 hospitalizations were fully vaccinated (both shots more than 14 days prior) and the rest were unvaccinated (none, one or both vaccines less than 14 days prior...

That ref is the anomaly of the large family gathering awhile ago, not some broad sweep stat that would suggest 74% of people that received the shots are in the hosptial...

Here in Western NC, the rate of hospitalization of those that have received the shots less than 21% in the state's blather of 'data'.

Another area that I do follow closely is Sarasota County where we spend winters:

Sarasota County hospitals report that the Covid hospitalization rate for Those Without Any Shots is 84% and has held steady at 81-84% since they started keeping close stats a year plus ago.

I don't give a damn if EDOGuy, Happy, Purplecty, et al don't get/don't have the shots. Good Fookin Luck if you don't.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by motordavid

That ref is the anomaly of the large family gathering awhile ago, not some broad sweep stat that would suggest 74% of people that received the shots are in the hosptial...



Here in Western NC, the rate of hospitalization of those that have received the shots less than 21% in the state's blather of 'data'.



Another area that I do follow closely is Sarasota County where we spend winters:



Sarasota County hospitals report that the Covid hospitalization rate for Those Without Any Shots is 84% and has held steady at 81-84% since they started keeping close stats a year plus ago.



I don't give a damn if EDOGuy, Happy, Purplecty, et al don't get/don't have the shots. Good Fookin Luck if you don't.

That was NOT a large family gathering as you put it, but was after a beach party over the summer (mostly gays) and was 117 people... big family


By the way.... Sarasota is at 76% fully vaccinated for ages 12 and above but your numbers are suspect as Sarasota doesn't list the breakdown of hospitalizations vaccinated/unvaccinated. If you are going by SMH's website they are "a" hospital not the number makers for the entire county.

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[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by motordavid

That ref is the anomaly of the large family gathering awhile ago, not some broad sweep stat that would suggest 74% of people that received the shots are in the hosptial...

Here in Western NC, the rate of hospitalization of those that have received the shots less than 21% in the state's blather of 'data'.

Another area that I do follow closely is Sarasota County where we spend winters:

Sarasota County hospitals report that the Covid hospitalization rate for Those Without Any Shots is 84% and has held steady at 81-84% since they started keeping close stats a year plus ago.

I don't give a damn if EDOGuy, Happy, Purplecty, et al don't get/don't have the shots. Good Fookin Luck if you don't.

“More than 7,00 breakthrough cases of Covid-19 that have resulted in death have been reported to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention through October 12. By that time, more than 187 million people in the US were fully vaccinated. That's one out of every 26,000 fully vaccinated people who has died of Covid-19, or 0.004%.
Of those breakthrough cases resulting in death, 85% were among people age 65 and older and 57% were among men, according to the CDC.

CDC data also show that the risk of dying from Covid-19 is more than 11 times higher for unvaccinated adults than it is for vaccinated adults throughout August. Among seniors, who are more susceptible to severe Covid-19, that gap is smaller. Among those 80 and older, the risk of dying from Covid-19 in August was about five times higher among unvaccinated people than among fully vaccinated people.”.


I felt this quote should’ve been here to serve its purpose better.

The national stats is 0.004% death rate for people who’s taken the shot.

Sure looks like good odds to me. Compared to overall 1.64% death rate of COVID(not finalized, but close enough for discussion purposes)

Closing the gap on that 90 million number of unvaccinated is job one now, IMO.