Palin breaks with McCain on gay marriage amendment

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

Again back of the bus mentality, Isn't the back seat of the bus the same seat as the front? It's not equal, it never will be and it's not right. This country can do better.

So what are you arguing, terminology? I'm not trying to minimize the issue, just not understanding if the rights are identical what the problem is. If homosexuals were told they could say they were "married" then all straights changed their term to "hetro-marriage", would that be a problem?

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by Wagner

So what are you arguing, terminology? I'm not trying to minimize the issue, just not understanding if the rights are identical what the problem is. If homosexuals were told they could say they were "married" then all straights changed their term to "hetro-marriage", would that be a problem?

LOL Funny, What I'm arguing is that Domestic Partnerships don't carry the same enchantment or mentality, heck hardly anyone knows about them as marriage does.

This is my domestic partner...

This is Husband/Wife...

It's just different, it has a different ring and a different reaction.

[JGQ]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

LOL Funny, What I'm arguing is that Domestic Partnerships don't carry the same enchantment or mentality, heck hardly anyone knows about them as marriage does.

This is my domestic partner...

This is Husband/Wife...

It's just different, it has a different ring and a different reaction.

OK, let me start on a philosophical interpretation of my view of marriage...

Marriage by definition is a declaration of an exclusive relationship. Different cultures and different religions may differ in their method announcing or declaring the marriage (wedding party). Nevertheless it is a declaration. Later in time, the declaration was not good enough since society started getting bigger from small communities where everyone knows everyone. The wedding band came about. It is a subtle way of saying I am off the market, please look somewhere else.

The legal aspect of documenting the marriage (or the exclusive relationship) came about also as a result of society’s growth where it became difficult to track who is married to who based on a word of mouth and the resulting rights of inheritance and child support…etc. This is where documenting that relationship in the legal system became necessary and part of normal human behavior and society expectations.

As far as gay couple’s concerns, if they were to get the equal rights to heterosexual couples, there is no one the world who could prevent them from calling it a marriage or preventing them from referring to their partners as wife or husband?

Get the rights, and you can declare your own nomenclature!

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

LOL Funny, What I'm arguing is that Domestic Partnerships don't carry the same enchantment or mentality, heck hardly anyone knows about them as marriage does.

This is my domestic partner...

This is Husband/Wife...

It's just different, it has a different ring and a different reaction.

So we're arguing the term, not the benefit I would have thought the benefit would be the driving factor, who cares about the term...aside from religious institutions. So under law, it is viewed the same...sorry man, but that seems like case closed IMO. There are US Govt contracts I can't go after right now because I'm a WHITE MALE, now that is unequal under the law.

[Quicksilver]

Just curious;

Would you explain "Domestic Partnerships don't carry the same enchantment or mentality" I honestly don't understand what you mean.

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

LOL Funny, What I'm arguing is that Domestic Partnerships don't carry the same enchantment or mentality, heck hardly anyone knows about them as marriage does.

This is my domestic partner...

This is Husband/Wife...

It's just different, it has a different ring and a different reaction.

[Quicksilver]

Interesting;

Are we then going to change the meaning of
husband and wife?

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Interesting;

Are we then going to change the meaning of
husband and wife?

We shouldn't change the meanings of any words IMO. We've done enough of that in history in a BAD way.

[JCL]

I am not promoting changing them, just recognizing that legally it doesn't carry the same weight as the word marriage.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by JCL

I am not promoting changing them, just recognizing that legally it doesn't carry the same weight as the word marriage.

well, involuntary manslaughter doesn't carry the same weight as murder, but they pretty much mean the same thing.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by Wagner

well, involuntary manslaughter doesn't carry the same weight as murder, but they pretty much mean the same thing.

Exactly my point. If someone had a trademark on the word murder, you could use the first term and change the penalty to match. Or, in the case of marriage, call it something else but make the legal aspect identical. Governments should care about rights, not labels.

Sounds like a raging agreement.