Gay marriage banned in Cali..

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by ylwjacket

Last - I'm sorry, but I don't buy that being gay is entirely some innate biological function. I believe that it is, in many cases, a choice. The effort to legalize marriage is an attempt to have the rest of us sanction that choice.

I think this is the main problem. I believe that it is not a choice and is something you are born with. If you think it is a choice, then that changes everything. Of course you wouldn't fight for their rights if you think it is a choice.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by ylwjacket

I still contend you ar ebarking up the wrong tree. Are you telling me that all of those Democrats, who turned out in records to vote for yor Obama, are religious fanatics? I seriously doubt it.

I think Bill Maher said it best when he said that "black people love themselves some Jesus". If black people turned out in record numbers for this election, then their religious beliefs (along with others beliefs) could have had something to do with the outcome. Church and state should be separated, but many people take religion with them to the polls, IMO. It very well could have had something to do with it.

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I think Bill Maher said it best when he said that "black people love themselves some Jesus". If black people turned out in record numbers for this election, then their religious beliefs (along with others beliefs) could have had something to do with the outcome. Church and state should be separated, but many people take religion with them to the polls, IMO. It very well could have had something to do with it.

I would hardly call that a right wing conspiracy, a conservative movement, right wing nut jobs, or anything of the like, which was my point before the name calling started.

And, the nature of democracy and elections is that we all take all of our biases and life experiences with us to the booth. If a lady with red hair cut you off in traffic on the way to vote, and you vote against a lady with red hair who is running for election, that is absolutely your right, and you don't have to explain it to anyone.

You wouldn't be less American for it.

[lakai]

Perhaps it is possible that religion has little to do with many people's objection to gay marriage. Maybe some people just aren't comfortable with it.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by lakai

Perhaps it is possible that religion has little to do with many people's objection to gay marriage. Maybe some people just aren't comfortable with it.

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by lakai

Perhaps it is possible that religion has little to do with many people's objection to gay marriage. Maybe some people just aren't comfortable with it.

That's too easy. If there is no obvious villain trying to deprive their fellow Americans of their rights, then the aggrieved classes have no one to blame but their own inability to make their case to the masses.

And, it is alot easier to hide behind a couple of big mouth know-it-all celebrities, who like to blame everyone else (insert - Melissa Ethridge, Ellen, Rosie, et al), than it is to actually take some personal responsibility for your plight.

You can't be a victim if there is no boogeyman.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by lakai

Perhaps it is possible that religion has little to do with many people's objection to gay marriage. Maybe some people just aren't comfortable with it.

Maybe some people also mask their own objections to it by stating religious reasons. It is much easier to say it is against my religion than it is to say it repulses me.

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by FSETH

Maybe some people also mask their own objections to it by stating religious reasons. It is much easier to say it is against my religion than it is to say it repulses me.

Finally, some truth and clarity.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by ylwjacket

Finally, some truth and clarity.

I never put all the blame on religious fanatics. It is a major factor though, IMO. I know there are a lot of people who just flat out can't stand the sight of a gay or lesbian couple. This isn't going to reduce the number of gay people in this world though.

At the end of the day it is just unfortunate for those who are affected by this.

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I never put all the blame on religious fanatics.

Sorry bud, I didn't meant to imply that you did.