Gay marriage banned in Cali..

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I think a lot of the animostiy is directed to Christian fanatics, not you personally. I consider myself to be Christian and I believe in God, but I don't go to church every Sunday and I don't go around telling people how they should live their lives (not saying you do either), but there are many Christian fanatics that belive the Bible literally word for word, think you have to go to church every single Sunday, think you have to pray before you eat every meal, think abortions are an outrage even in the case of incest and rape and so on. I am a Christian and those beliefs are not in-line with mine. IMO, religion is the primary cause for all war and terrorism throughout the world and I think that ALL fanatics regardless of religion are responsible. I think everyone needs to chill out to be honest with you.

I really feel that gay people are born that way and they should have the right to be married to a partner and share all of the legal benefits. If being gay is indeed something a person is born into and not a personal choice, then how can it be an abomination like many Christian fanatics say? They are human beings born into a situation that they can not control. Just like being born white, black, female, male and so on. What would happen if you had a gay son or grandson? Would you look them in the face and say you voted against their happiness and equal rights? I understand if you don't want to go out of your way to support gays and lesbians, that is your right, but why go to the polls just to deny them their happiness?

I agree, Fanatics of anything, INCLUDING Christian's are a menace to society, right wingers included!

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

I agree, Fanatics of anything, INCLUDING Christian's are a menace to society, right wingers included!

I still contend you ar ebarking up the wrong tree. Are you telling me that all of those Democrats, who turned out in records to vote for yor Obama, are religious fanatics? I seriously doubt it.

Also, the continued phrases "they are not Californian, or American" are childish. We voted, in Florida, to add a bunch of stuff to our consitution. Personally, I feel like constitutional amendments let the lawmakers off the hook - they should make the law or not, regardless of its topic, and then take the heat either way. They hide behind these amendment initiatives as a way of not having to answer to their constituents, which I think is wrong.

So, are the people that voted for all of those stupid amendments that I voted against not Floridians? (almost all of them passed, and I don't like them. And yes, some of them abridged rights that I had).

You really need to grow up, make your case on its merits, and leave the vitriole out of it, or you'll never go anywhere.

A few posts back, I tried to say just that, but I also said something like lay off God. You chose to ignore the political advice, but to continue to trash religion.

In California of all places, "religious fanatics" did not carry that amendment.

[MrLabGuy]

I personally believe that being gay is more biological than choice. Both are at play here but the biology of the brain is very complex. Human sexuality is complex as well and there are great variations in the heterosexual community as it relates to what and who we are attracted to when it comes to sex which are both biological and environmental as well. Some homosexuals are very feminine and it is obvious that they are different and some you would be shocked if you knew that they were gay or bisexual for that fact.

That said I think children should NOT be subjected to what some are pushing as education relating to homosexuality. I can see a discussion later but not at early ages. I think this was a big factor in the measure not passing. Some of the more radical faction tends to turn people off enough that they just turn away even if they support gay marriage.

[blondboinsd]

Again, I don't find anything I said insulting. I think ANYONE who gave money to Prop 8 etc should be disgusted. How would you feel if someone voted on your marriage? I would LOVE to see someone change their hypocritical mind on this issue if they were directly in the firing line. Make me sick

I don't feel like I said anything insulting Yellow. If it's offensive to you I would ask why?

It's truth and NO don't pull the Domestic Partnerships are the same B*llshit, their not, never will be and are not federally recognized.

I hope the Prop 8 people are haunted by their vote and I have nothing but ill feeling towards them. Their not fellow California people or US Citizens. Their close-minded, uneducated rubbish.

[lakai]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

Again, I don't find anything I said insulting. I think ANYONE who gave money to Prop 8 etc should be disgusted. How would you feel if someone voted on your marriage? I would LOVE to see someone change their hypocritical mind on this issue if they were directly in the firing line. Make me sick

I don't feel like I said anything insulting Yellow. If it's offensive to you I would ask why?

What you're saying doesn't make sense. You might not find what you say insulting, but others might. Have you thought about that? What about when someone uses a derogatory word or racial slur, would it be ok, just because they didn't personally find it insulting?

No, you are wrong about a marriage being federally recognized.

The Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, is the short title of a federal law of the United States passed on September 21, 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. Its provisions are codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. The law has two effects:
No state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.
The Federal Government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.
The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85-14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342-67 in the House of Representatives[2], and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by lakai

What you're saying doesn't make sense. You might not find what you say insulting, but others might. Have you thought about that? What about when someone uses a derogatory word or racial slur, would it be ok, just because they didn't personally find it insulting?

No, you are wrong about a marriage being federally recognized.

DOMA is on a state level. The DOMA is stating that no state that does not recognize same-sex marriage shall be forced to.

Ex: CA's DOMA was ruled unconstitutional overturning it and allowing same sex marriage earlier this year. MASS and CT have both ruled their DOMA was unconstitutional thus allowing same sex marriage.

[B-Line]

As long as we are discussing the religious aspect of this debate, I'd like to add, that my religion supports same sex marriages.

So why are Christian values being forced on me when my own religion accepts homosexuality.

That is why we are supposed to have a separation of church and state, so your religious views aren't imposed on me and my religious views aren't imposed on you, on a civil level.

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by B-Line

As long as we are discussing the religious aspect of this debate, I'd like to add, that my religion supports same sex marriages.

So why are Christian values being forced on me when my own religion accepts homosexuality.

That is why we are supposed to have a separation of church and state, so your religious views aren't imposed on me and my religious views aren't imposed on you, on a civil level.

I couldn't agree more.

[lakai]

Perhaps it is possible that religion has little to do with many people's objection to gay marriage. Maybe some people just aren't comfortable with it.

[Wagner]

Originally Posted by lakai

Perhaps it is possible that religion has little to do with many people's objection to gay marriage. Maybe some people just aren't comfortable with it.