Gay marriage banned in Cali..

[blondboinsd]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

The local news had an interesting perspective regarding this issue.

Part of the reason for this is the gay movement's continuous reference to the civil rights movement to support their cause. Most African Americans find this analogy insulting. Secondly the shove it down your throat "weather you like it or not" position was another problem for a lot of people. Last it may have also had to do with the false television ads run by both sides.

All of these reasons turned people got off and mobilized the opposition to take a stand.

Funny, I find them close. The Whether you like it or not from Newsom wasn't his finish hour and the "Yes on 8" campaign" took it and used it.

I find both causes to be much closer than you think. True they are different in specific ways. But their overall oppressive 2nd class treatment is exactly the same.

Sure we could keep our mouths shut on the bus but did you ever have to come out black?


It's every person duty to become educated on the issues and anyone who voted against it who had to fight for their equality has ZERO sympathy from me. I think their ignorant and obviously lack an education on their past.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

It's every person duty to become educated on the issues and anyone who voted against it who had to fight for their equality has ZERO sympathy from me. I think their ignorant and obviously lack an education on their past.

I have to agree with you on this one. Everyone is so happy on how far this country has come because we elected a black president, but we are still not treating gays and lesbians equally.

IMO that is just wrong.

Maybe people in general are only concerned about equal rights when it affects them personally.

I am sure others will disagree, but I don't think being gay is a choice that a person makes for themselves. Just like you can't choose what color skin you are born with. Therefore, anyone who supports equal rights for any reason should be outraged with this decision.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

The local news had an interesting perspective regarding this issue.

Part of the reason for this is the gay movement's continuous reference to the civil rights movement to support their cause. Most African Americans find this analogy insulting. Secondly the shove it down your throat "weather you like it or not" position was another problem for a lot of people.

I know you were just summerizing a news story, but I have to disagree with it.

A) Why would African Americans find it insulting that someone who is fighting for equal rights (which African Americans had to do) would compare their causes? It is the same thing, IMO. A group of people who are being discriminated against for something out of thier control trying to be treated eqaully. Sounds similar to me. Why not compare the two?

B) The shove it down your throat or the "whether you like it or not" position seem like BS. I bet back in the day white people thought that black people were shoving their "blackness" down their throats too.

[The Cleaner]

Many that I have spoke with are not opposed to gays being recognized as a legally joined couple, they just don't want the union to share the same name as a male/female union.

[Quicksilver]

I can appreciate your opinion however there's enough information written on both subjects that explains why this is the case.

As far as the shove it down your throat thing? You need to live here in the Bay Area and be subjected to San Francisco's Mayor and the perception people have about his method of supporting the cause to appreciate this.

Here are a couple of examples to consider.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004846

Originally Posted by FSETH

I know you were just summerizing a news story, but I have to disagree with it.

A) Why would African Americans find it insulting that someone who is fighting for equal rights (which African Americans had to do) would compare their causes? It is the same thing, IMO. A group of people who are being discriminated against for something out of thier control trying to be treated eqaully. Sounds similar to me. Why not compare the two?

B) The shove it down your throat or the "whether you like it or not" position seem like BS. I bet back in the day white people thought that black people were shoving their "blackness" down their throats too.

[FSETH]

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I can appreciate your opinion however there's enough information written on both subjects that explains why this is the case.

As far as the shove it down your throat thing? You need to live here in the Bay Area and be subjected to San Francisco's Mayor and the perception people have about his method of supporting the cause to appreciate this.

Here are a couple of examples to consider.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache...&client=safari

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004846

Good point. I do not live in San Fran, but I think that if gays and lesbians had equal rights across the board then maybe some of the whole "down your throat" thing would die down. Maybe they are doing this because they are angry or trying to get their point across?

I would never say that "in general" gays and lesbians have suffered as much as african americans during slavery and even later on, but equality is equality, IMO. I don't think that there are different levels of it. Either everyone is equal and all groups have equal rights or one group is being discriminiated against. If we made gays and lesbians suffer as much as blacks had to during slavery, then would it be OK? It doesn't make sense to me that one group who had to fight for equality for so long would discriminate against another group trying to gain equality just because they haven't suffered the same. Regardless if they compare the struggle or not. Were most black people on board with equal rights for gays before the two struggles were compared, or did they significantly change their stance on equal rights for gays when gays started comparing struggles? I am not positive on this one, but my guess is that it was never supported on a large scale level and viewed as an equal rights issue by the vast majority of african americans. I could be wrong, I havn't done any surveys, but I don't think most African Americans view discrimination based on race and homosexuality as the same thing and IMO they are. I just think a group of people that were discriminated for so long should come to the defense of another group that is going through any amount of discrimination what so ever. Isn't that what the whole civil rights movement was about? Equal rights?

[Quicksilver]

I can only speak for myself regarding this issue
and i have done enough of that in the past so i will
let it rest in favor of peace.

[trueX5er]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I have to agree with you on this one. Everyone is so happy on how far this country has come because we elected a black president, but we are still not treating gays and lesbians equally.

IMO that is just wrong.

Maybe people in general are only concerned about equal rights when it affects them personally.

I am sure others will disagree, but I don't think being gay is a choice that a person makes for themselves. Just like you can't choose what color skin you are born with. Therefore, anyone who supports equal rights for any reason should be outraged with this decision.

100%. It is wrong.

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by FSETH

I have to agree with you on this one. Everyone is so happy on how far this country has come because we elected a black president, but we are still not treating gays and lesbians equally.

IMO that is just wrong.

Maybe people in general are only concerned about equal rights when it affects them personally.

I am sure others will disagree, but I don't think being gay is a choice that a person makes for themselves. Just like you can't choose what color skin you are born with. Therefore, anyone who supports equal rights for any reason should be outraged with this decision.

100%

[Kewl X5]

Of course, the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling has yet to be broken as well...