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[B-Line]

From your own reference Eric

Hamas
From its inception in 2002, the initiative deeply divided the organization.[2] Its official covenant advocates the destruction of the state of Israel and its replacement by a theocratic run under Islamist principles with Jerusalem as the capital.[16] Hamas' spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab told The San Francisco Chronicle in April 2002 that the organization would accept it, saying "That would be satisfactory for all Palestinian military groups to stop and build our state, to be busy in our own affairs, and have good neighborhood with Israelis."[16] The newspaper reporters who interviewed Shanab questioned whether or not he truly spoke for the administration and could not collaborate his story.[16] Hamas' foreign minister Mahmoud al-Zahar said in June 2006 that the organization rejects the initiative.[2] Then Prime Minister Ismail Haneya said on October 2006 that the "problem with the Arab peace initiative is that it includes recognition of the state of Israel, the thing that the Palestinian government rejects" and dismissed it.[17]

[B-Line]

Furthermore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Don't try to contradict my information.. I can quote wikipedia too:

After coming to power, some Hamas leaders have announced that Hamas was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

Israel gives Hamas everything they want and Hamas will cease fire for 10 years.... Read it.. Learn it..

[StanF18]

B-Line, all I got to say bro, is thank G-d you have enough time on your hands to contradict, refute, and quote news sources. It takes a lot of patience to explain away the pro-Hamas, self-loathing nonsense spewed forth by X5 World's resident nut-job. Kudos to you for setting the facts straight!

[peacemf]

i have friends who seem to think hamas is a good group
try as i might to show them otherwise, once their mind is set, much like cement, its pointless

the problem these days is that one man can make a difference (with a few pounds of c4 trapped to their waist)

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by B-Line

Furthermore:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Don't try to contradict my information.. I can quote wikipedia too:

After coming to power, some Hamas leaders have announced that Hamas was giving up suicide attacks and "offered a 10-year truce [with Israel] in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.

Israel gives Hamas everything they want and Hamas will cease fire for 10 years.... Read it.. Learn it..

Here I though it was pretty much common sense but it appears Eric's radical ideology blinds him from the truth much like that of the Hamas extremists.

[Lambeau]

Originally Posted by B-Line

How about this.. How about both of you stop disgracing the memory of lost Americans and the worst tragedy in the history of the United States by furthering this asinine conversation.

You should both be ashamed of yourselves... and your collective stupidity just goes to show that two half a brains doesn't equal one brain..

I'd appreciate it if you would please take your "THE US GOV'T planned and executed 9/11" bullshit and continue it in private. But dropping it into a thread regarding Israel and Palestine is even more offensive.

Good point B... Thanks

[pski215]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

As long as we are talking about terrorism and Israel, I'm surprised (no I'm actually not) that someone hasn't posted something about the Levon Affair....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that "the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'" would be blamed.[1] It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair (Hebrew: העסק הביש‎, HaEsek HaBish). Israel admitted responsibility in 2005 when Israeli President Moshe Katzav honored the nine Egyptian Jewish agents who were involved.[2]

small explosive charges not full on bombs eric.

[Eric5273]

From an Israeli newspaper:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1143498880914

The Hamas-led Palestinian government will accept the Saudi Initiative, thereby recognizing Israel, MK Taleb A-Sanaa told The Jerusalem Post Wednesday, following a meeting with Hamas parliamentarians.



Hamas agreed to accept the Peace Initiative in 2006. Yes, individuals in Hamas have denounced it as you pointed out above, but the organization as a whole agreed to accept it after receiving quite a bit of pressure from the Arab League.

Every government or political group is going to have people who disagree. If I were to ask you if the Republicans support the bailout plan for the banks, what would your answer be?

I know you want to believe that Hamas is this incredibly tight organization and that everyone in the group agrees on everything, but the reality is quite the opposite. There is quite a bit of infighting. If Israel was smart, they would accept the offer and thus drive a wedge between the various groups. Most of the Palestineans do support the peace process, and if Israel was to agree to peace, the extremist groups would lose their support among the population.

In any case, you will see that the current offensive in Gaza is going to fail. They will not achieve the stated goal of stopping the rockets. According to today's news reports, 35 rockets were fired into Israel yesterday. That's more than the entire 4 month period from July-October. Anything short of complete genocide of the Palestineans is not going to stop the rockets unless they agree on a peace plan.

[B-Line]

Originally Posted by Eric5273

If Israel was smart, they would accept the offer and thus drive a wedge between the various groups. Most of the Palestineans do support the peace process, and if Israel was to agree to peace, the extremist groups would lose their support among the population.

First all, I don't agree with your obscure fact checking. I can find several sources that agree with my research and your link and references don't even work.. Smells like more bullshit to me.

Secondly, how dare you to presume that you know what is and is not smart for Israel. You live in a cushy little suburb with parents who probably still feed you off the tit. The closest you've ever lived to conflict is the ass whopping you probably received daily in high school for being moronic.

And even if your research is correct, that means that only a small group of people would actually agree to recognize Israel while the rest of the Palestine groups would continue to attack even though there has been peace with one section of Hamas.

ERIC, get it through your thick head. NO ONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, not even the countries Israel has a truce with, want to see the existence and success of a Jewish state.

The violence will not stop, the terrorism will not stop, until Israel has been completely destroyed. And if Israel can't get a strong majority to negotiate with, then there is no negotiating. Hamas will die down and some other, PLO, NAZI, TALIBAN, AL QUAEDA will start up where Hamas left off. The only difference being, Israel will have weakened itself by dealing with one small part of one small group.

This is not a war between Israel and Hamas. This is a war between Israel and everyone who wants to see Israel destroyed. And even if you can get 40% of the Arab world to recognize Israel, the other 60% will not.

And no matter how much you think that giving in to terrorist demands will create stability and peace in the Middle East, IT WON'T. It will only further encourage new generations of terrorists to try to further destroy Israel.

Israel needs to continue doing what it has been doing. Retaliate and destroy until their enemies leaders who continue to attack Israel are destroyed, along with their network of suppliers.

Eric,
Why don't you just once, write an essay where you suggest that Hamas should stop launching rockets at Israel... Or is that too mainstream for your opinion?

[LobsterX]

Originally Posted by B-Line

First all, I don't agree with your obscure fact checking. I can find several sources that agree with my research and your link and references don't even work.. Smells like more bullshit to me.

Secondly, how dare you to presume that you know what is and is not smart for Israel. You live in a cushy little suburb with parents who probably still feed you off the tit. The closest you've ever lived to conflict is the ass whopping you probably received daily in high school for being moronic.

And even if your research is correct, that means that only a small group of people would actually agree to recognize Israel while the rest of the Palestine groups would continue to attack even though there has been peace with one section of Hamas.

ERIC, get it through your thick head. NO ONE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, not even the countries Israel has a truce with, want to see the existence and success of a Jewish state.

The violence will not stop, the terrorism will not stop, until Israel has been completely destroyed. And if Israel can't get a strong majority to negotiate with, then there is no negotiating. Hamas will die down and some other, PLO, NAZI, TALIBAN, AL QUAEDA will start up where Hamas left off. The only difference being, Israel will have weakened itself by dealing with one small part of one small group.

This is not a war between Israel and Hamas. This is a war between Israel and everyone who wants to see Israel destroyed. And even if you can get 40% of the Arab world to recognize Israel, the other 60% will not.

And no matter how much you think that giving in to terrorist demands will create stability and peace in the Middle East, IT WON'T. It will only further encourage new generations of terrorists to try to further destroy Israel.

Israel needs to continue doing what it has been doing. Retaliate and destroy until their enemies leaders who continue to attack Israel are destroyed, along with their network of suppliers.

Eric,
Why don't you just once, write an essay where you suggest that Hamas should stop launching rockets at Israel... Or is that too mainstream for your opinion?

I really cant understand Eric why you still believe that you can negotiate with terrorists. YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!