What's your take on the shooting of Dr. George Tiller

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Hey Chili....I Quote

What people crave are alternative ideas, Reasonable Criticism,

Define "Alternative ideas". I've found that "Reasonable Criticism" does not exist among the Progressive Left.

Supporting these idiots only validate what MSNBC pundits and the far left is trying to achieve. It makes legitimate Reagan Conservatism look ridiculous to the vast majority of non-partisan, voters.

I'm sorry but you are far from a "Non-Partisan voter.

The catch phrase is "differentiate news from FICTION" which aint happening on your side

My side? I voted for Bill Clinton twice...Did you vote? If you voted for Bill I'd say we were on the same political side at one point. That would make me far more "Non-Partisan than you my friend. Actions speak louder than words but then words are all you seem to have on this forum.

Seems to me that you are the sensitive one because I've never questioned your character or attacked you personally. I don't know what's with the Kool-Aid drinking crap that you seem to throw.

News Flash...It's called a difference of opinion in a political debate. I stand by the my Koo-Aid comment. You seem to consume as much as Chris Matthews.

Keep trying though...You are definitely amusing.

Hello Chili...Did a cat get your tongue or are you searching another forum for a response?

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by chile1

The more I hear you guys more you sound like a talk show pundits - making things up w/personal attacks, as you go along to what ever fits your agenda. Just remember pal, it's going to be a long 8 yrs. Furthermore, the demographics of this country is changing (more Latinos and minorities with stronger voices) and Bush may have been your last "conservative" president..........

Yep...I have no doubt it is going to be a long 8 years for you around here. I'll make a bet that Wagner and I are here long after you're gone. Your type tends to not hang around long. I'm hoping you do stick around because the Poli forum has been slow these last few months.

As for the Latino Demographics...Do your homework...The Latino population tends to be overwhelmingly Conservative and religious.

[chile1]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

As for the Latino Demographics...Do your homework...The Latino population tends to be overwhelmingly Conservative and religious.

Si mi amigo........keep telling yourself that.......

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by chile1

Si mi amigo........keep telling yourself that.......

This is going to be easy. The following is a cut and paste from an article from the Hoover Institute.

Two major studies—one in 2007 by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life and one in 2003 by the University of Notre Dame’s Institute for Latino Studies—shed great insight on the practice and influence of religion in Hispanic communities in the United States.

More than 66 percent of Hispanics are Catholics, while 15 percent are Protestants. Only 8 percent are secular—that is, unaffiliated with a church, atheist, or agnostic. Hispanics are more likely than most Americans to say that religion is very important in their lives. Most striking about Hispanic religious beliefs is their close affiliation with “renewalist” faiths—evangelical and charismatic. An outright majority of Hispanic Catholics describe themselves as charismatic or Pentecostal, compared to only 10 percent of non-Hispanic Catholics. Likewise, more than 50 percent of Hispanic Protestants are renewalists, compared to only about 20 percent of non-Hispanic Protestants. Moreover, conversion to Protestantism is large and growing.

Two-thirds of Hispanics say their religious beliefs are an important influence on their political thinking. Among the evangelicals, 86 percent say their religious beliefs are an important influence and 62 percent say they are very important. Yet fewer than one in four Hispanics have ever been asked by churches, religious organizations, or religious leaders to engage in a political effort, suggesting vast untapped mobilization potential. Religiosity among Hispanics exerts strong ideological influences: among Hispanic

Catholics who attend church at least once a week, 36 percent are conservative and only 18 percent are liberal; among evangelicals, 46 percent are conservative and only 10 percent are liberal. Notably, although Hispanics as a whole are far more likely than non-Hispanics to oppose abortion (57 to 40 percent) and gay marriage (56 to 42 percent), first-generation Hispanics are more conservative on those views than third-generation Hispanics.

Hoover Institution - Hoover Digest - Listen to Latinos

[chile1]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

This is going to be easy. The following is a cut and paste from an article from the Hoover Institute.

Two major studies—one in 2007 by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life and one in 2003 by the University of Notre Dame’s Institute for Latino Studies—shed great insight on the practice and influence of religion in Hispanic communities in the United States.

More than 66 percent of Hispanics are Catholics, while 15 percent are Protestants. Only 8 percent are secular—that is, unaffiliated with a church, atheist, or agnostic. Hispanics are more likely than most Americans to say that religion is very important in their lives. Most striking about Hispanic religious beliefs is their close affiliation with “renewalist” faiths—evangelical and charismatic. An outright majority of Hispanic Catholics describe themselves as charismatic or Pentecostal, compared to only 10 percent of non-Hispanic Catholics. Likewise, more than 50 percent of Hispanic Protestants are renewalists, compared to only about 20 percent of non-Hispanic Protestants. Moreover, conversion to Protestantism is large and growing.

Two-thirds of Hispanics say their religious beliefs are an important influence on their political thinking. Among the evangelicals, 86 percent say their religious beliefs are an important influence and 62 percent say they are very important. Yet fewer than one in four Hispanics have ever been asked by churches, religious organizations, or religious leaders to engage in a political effort, suggesting vast untapped mobilization potential. Religiosity among Hispanics exerts strong ideological influences: among Hispanic

Catholics who attend church at least once a week, 36 percent are conservative and only 18 percent are liberal; among evangelicals, 46 percent are conservative and only 10 percent are liberal. Notably, although Hispanics as a whole are far more likely than non-Hispanics to oppose abortion (57 to 40 percent) and gay marriage (56 to 42 percent), first-generation Hispanics are more conservative on those views than third-generation Hispanics.

Hoover Institution - Hoover Digest - Listen to Latinos

OK but does this mean they vote Republican? The only specific group that does are the Cuban Americans and even that's quickly changing as it showed during the last elections. Does the data on the Hoover report indicate how Hispanics actually end up casting their ballots? You can be all of that on paper but at the end of the day, the voting says another thing. I don't think Obama could have won without the Hispanic or minority vote.
FYI I'm also Catholic and go to church every Sunday. I also have both my kids in private Catholic Schools. I'm sure on these reports they list me as Conservative. It does not mean we're going to blindly follow and vote for your form of conservatism just because the priest or Rush says so.

BTW....you're so off topic yet very amusing.......

[Krimson X]

Let me chime in, if I may. So, according to the cut and past, conservatism is about opposing abortion and same sex marriage? It says conservative on "those views." But what about the other viewpoints of the conservative movement? Where do latinos fit in there? I know better than to believe that conservatism is based on opposing abortion and gay rights.

What is the difference between first-gen hispanic and third-gen hispanic? Does the article mean to say first/third-gen "hispanic american"?

The artlcle is more about religous ideology rather than political affiliation.

[chile1]

Originally Posted by Wagner

Oh, btw, Bush wasn't a conservative Conservatives don't create TARP.

Maybe so but I didn't see any Bush bashing rants from you on this forum prior to mid 2008. Admit it, before then, he was still your boy, TARP and all.....Now you play Monday morning quarterback to distant yourself from him and trash Obama.

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by Krimson X

Let me chime in, if I may. So, according to the cut and past, conservatism is about opposing abortion and same sex marriage? It says conservative on "those views." But what about the other viewpoints of the conservative movement? Where do latinos fit in there? I know better than to believe that conservatism is based on opposing abortion and gay rights.

What is the difference between first-gen hispanic and third-gen hispanic? Does the article mean to say first/third-gen "hispanic american"?

The artlcle is more about religous ideology rather than political affiliation.

Great questions; I don't have time today to research the particulars but I do have some theories based on what I have seen.

Abortion and Gay rights are pretty strong "Conservative" issues which among "Whites" tends to equate to other "Conservative" values. I think African Americans are an exception who overwhelmingly support "Liberal" values though most it think are against gay rights and I think most are anti-abortion. I'd be curious what the breakdown of African Americans who regularly attend Church vote Republican. I expect it does not follow with what I've seen with Hispanic and White voters. It might be cultural and I suspect has much to do with the number of "Liberal" leaning African American preachers. Remember this is what I'm guessing as I don't yet have any facts to back up this theory.

As for First and Third generation Hispanics...I'm not certain but I think that a vast majority of First Generation Hispanics vote when compared with Third Generation Hispanic voters. Again this is only a theory based on what I've seen and read.

This topic deserves its own thread because I'm curious to hear what others think.

[chile1]

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Abortion and Gay rights are pretty strong "Conservative" issues which among "Whites" tends to equate to other "Conservative" values.

That's the problem with your movement. You think minorities are as dumb as the hicks that listen to the FOX blowhards and will blindly follow their conservative agenda. Sort of like, "we'll choose Sarah Palin so she can take away Hillary supporters". Keep believing this FICTION, pal.......

[MrLabGuy]

Originally Posted by chile1

OK but does this mean they vote Republican? The only specific group that does are the Cuban Americans and even that's quickly changing as it showed during the last elections. Does the data on the Hoover report indicate how Hispanics actually end up casting their ballots? You can be all of that on paper but at the end of the day, the voting says another thing. I don't think Obama could have won without the Hispanic or minority vote.
FYI I'm also Catholic and go to church every Sunday. I also have both my kids in private Catholic Schools. I'm sure on these reports they list me as Conservative. It does not mean we're going to blindly follow and vote for your form of conservatism just because the priest or Rush says so.

BTW....you're so off topic yet very amusing.......

You are mistakenly confusing "Conservative" with "Republican". Are you Pro Choice and in favor of Gay Rights? If you do then you fall into a smaller percentage of Catholic voters. The point I'm making is more Hispanics are "Conservative" and have the same values of "Conservative" White voters who tend to vote Republican.

Regan recognized the importance of Conservative Hispanics where Republican Party in the last election failed to recognize and thus utilize the power of the Hispanic voting block failing to point out the contrast between Democratic Party and the Republican platform. I'll be the first to say the Republican Party is on the wrong track and will lose more elections if they continue down the same path.

BTW...You are participating in this Off Topic discussion.